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Clinton calls terror a U.S. debt to past
    #503969 - 12/29/01 09:15 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

November 8, 2001
Clinton calls terror a U.S. debt to past

By Joseph Curl
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Bill Clinton, the former president, said yesterday that terror has existed in
America for hundreds of years and the nation is "paying a price today" for its
past of slavery and for looking "the other way when a significant number of
native Americans were dispossessed and killed."
"Here in the United States, we were
founded as a nation that practiced slavery,
and slaves quite frequently were killed even
though they were innocent," s aid Mr.
Clinton in a speech to nearly 1,000 students
at Georgetown University's ornate Gaston
Hall.
"This country once looked the other way
when a significant number of native
Americans were dispossessed and killed to
get their land or their mineral rights or
because they were thought of as less than
fully human.
"And we are still paying a price today,"
said Mr. Clinton, who was invited to address the students by the university's
School of Foreign Service.
Mr. Clinton, wearing a gray suit and orange tie, arrived 45 minutes late for
the event. Some students camped out overnight to obtain tickets. The former
president, a member of the Jesuit university's Class of 1968, opened his
50-minute speech by thanking a former teacher.
"He never abandoned me over all these years, even though he did not
succeed in convincing me to become a Jesuit," said Mr. Clinton, drawing
laughter and then cheers from the almost entirely white crowd of students.
Mr. Clinton spoke from notes about the world after September 11. He
sought to dispel fears of terrorism and "this anthrax business."
"I submit to you that we are now in a struggle for the soul of the 21st
century and the world in which you students will live to raise your own
children and make your own way," he said.
Mr. Clinton said the international terrorism that has only just reached the
United States dates back thousands of years.
"In the first Crusade, when the Christian soldiers took Jerusalem, they first
burned a synagogue with 300 Jews in it and proceeded to kill every woman
and child who was a Muslim on the Temple Mount. I can tell you that story is
still being told today in the Middle East and we are still paying for it."
Mr. Clinton said America needs to pay more attention to its enemies and to
the way the United States is viewed by the rest of the world.
"There are a lot of people that see the world differently than we do. It is
quite important that we do more to build the pool of potential partners in the
world and t o shrink the pool of potential terrorists. And that has nothing to do
with fighting, but that has to do with what else we do.
"This is partly a Muslim issue, because there is a war raging wit hin Islam.
We need to reach out and engage the Muslim world in a debate."
Mr. Clinton referred to stories in the media about some American citizens
cheering the te rrorist attacks and suspected mastermind Osama bin Laden.
"This debate is going on all over America. We've got to stop pretending this
isn't out there," he said.
Addressing matters of globalization, Mr. Clinton pondered the importance
of such issues as technology, poverty, democracy, diversity, the environment,
disease and terrorism.
"Here's how I think you ought to think about it," he said. "We cannot
ignore the fact that we have vulnerability at home because of our
interdependence."
The answer, Mr. Clinton said, is to spread freedom and democracy, reduce
global poverty, forgive billions in debt, improve health care systems and
encourage ? even fund ? educatio n in developing countries.
"We ought to pay for these children to go to school ? a lot cheaper than
going to war," he said.
Perhaps most important, he said, is democracy.
"It's no accident that most of these terrorists come from non-democratic
countries. If you live in a country where you're never required to take
responsibility for yourself, where you never even have to ask whether there's
something you should be doing to solve your own problems, then people are
kept in kind of a permanent state of collect ive immaturity and it becomes quite
easy for them to believe that someone else's success is the cause of their
distress.
"We've got to defeat people who think they can find their redemption in our
destruction. And then we have to be smart enough to get rid of our arrogant
self-righteousness so that we don't claim for ourselves things we deny for
others."
The former president, who left office just 10 months ago after an eight-year
tenure, said the federal government is "woefully" lacking on several key
terrorism-prevention areas.
"We need to strengthen our capacity to chase the money and get it, and we
need some legislation on that," said Mr. Clinton, coincidentally on the same
day President Bush, who has made freezing terrorist assets a "front" of his war
on terrorism, announced the United States has moved to block the assets of 62
persons a nd groups associated with two financial networks linked to bin
Laden.
"And one area where we are woefully lacking is the simple use of modern
computer tech to track people that come into this country," he said.
While he criticized "the governmental capacity" now, he said "we all must
support our current government in whatever decision they make."
"This is not a perfect society but it is stumbling in the right direction," he
said.
At the end of his speech, Mr. Clinton ? who was impeached for lying
under oath about a sexual relationship with a 21-year-old White House intern
? said the entire issue revolves around "the nature of truth."
"This battle fundament ally is about what you think about the nature of
truth," he said, noting that God has imposed on us the inability to ever know
"the whole truth."
He also championed women's rights in Afghanistan, saying the reason "you
see all those sanctimonious guys beating those women with sticks" is because
the country's rulers demand strict adherence to the rules.
Students crowded around to shake the former president's hand after his
speech. There were no detractors in the crowd, despite the fact that the
university newspaper in September 1998 called on Mr. Clinton, then mired in
scandal, to resign.
"The American public," the Hoya said in a 1998 editorial, "has forgotten
that international and domestic terrorism requires a proactive defense plan.
Terrorists must be caught before they strike, and we must remember that those
strikes always come when our head is turned toward other matters."



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Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #504009 - 12/29/01 12:18 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I don't agree with everything Clinton says in this address, but he hit the nail squarely on the head with this statement:

"It's no accident that most of these terrorists come from non-democratic countries. If you live in a country where you're never required to take responsibility for yourself, where you never even have to ask whether there's something you should be doing to solve your own problems, then people are kept in kind of a permanent state of collective immaturity and it becomes quite
easy for them to believe that someone else's success is the cause of their distress."

In a society where the only prosperous people are those who obtained their wealth by seizing it from others by force, it shouldn't be surprising that the masses will conclude that ALL prosperous people must be criminals. It never occurs to them that there are moral paths to prosperity. Since they are told that the majority of Americans are wealthy (by their standards), they conclude that Americans are evil.

Sadly, too many members of the American Left follow the same faulty logic. "Look at how much money Jack Walton (or Bill Gates or whoever) has. He MUST be an exploiter. He just hasn't been exposed yet!"

An ignorant peasant living in an authoritarian country where the press is just another organ of the state has an excuse for arriving at his faulty conclusion. A college-educated American does not.

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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Phred]
    #504017 - 12/29/01 12:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

that was intelligent pinky...

most americans are stupid fucks though
(i have the right to say this, its a 'free' country, right?!?!)


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Phred]
    #504057 - 12/29/01 02:01 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Clinton is also correct when he says that the terror attacks are payment for the past. However, you don't have to look back 200 years for some type of bad hippy karma. You only need look back to the past six when Clinton, himself cut our intelligence budget in half.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #504717 - 12/30/01 12:08 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

now that hit the nail on the head.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #505278 - 12/30/01 10:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I saw a great bumper sticker right after Clinton was elected the second time. It said " Wheres Oswald now that we need him."


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Re: Clinton calls terror a U.S. debt to past [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #505322 - 12/30/01 11:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

You are saying that Clinton wants to stop terrorism. But when has he addressed those real issues in public. Noone really talks about what terrorism is about. It's about demands.
Different governments work. Let's say that Jesus took power in a dictatorship. Would it work. Anyway's for demands it is a constant that trade embargo's must be lifted.
What is the deal? Why not lift the trade embargo on Iraq for instance. Because they have nuclear weapons and biological weapons as we have ourselves. Those are the sanctions the u.n imposed on them and they have not complied. That is going nowhere, but as for cutting intelligence in half, take for instance; how it affected the guerrilas we originally hired to overthrow Saddam. They were killed by biological weapons, because of no support from Clinton. So do you think that Clinton made the right decision. It all depends on how close to God Saddam is. I see people next to him cheering all the time, on t.v.
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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #505515 - 12/31/01 02:22 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Does blaming every thing possible on Clinton ever grow old for you people?


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Captain Jack]
    #505537 - 12/31/01 02:43 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I'm certainly far from being a Democrat, but in my opinion Slick Willy was no worse than most American politicians. I think he did OK as a prez because he was smart enough to follow the best possible course of action for the country... he did nothing. He sat back and let things run themselves.

Oh, he tinkered a bit here and there, but nothing substantive ever came of it.

I am no fan of Bush Jr., but can you imagine the chaos if Gore had won? Al would have felt compelled to "improve" pretty near everything he could think of. The mere thought still gives me nightmares.

I pitied you Americans last election. I honestly can't think of an election in the last century (maybe ever) where the American voter was faced with two less attractive alternatives than Gore and Bush. And don't get me started on Nader!

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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Captain Jack]
    #505802 - 12/31/01 01:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I don't blame everything on Clinton, Captain Democrat. Just the stuff that was his fault.

Does living in a denial bubble ever get old for you?


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Phred]
    #505847 - 12/31/01 02:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Good point pinksharkmark. We had to pick betwen the two lamest people. Gore was lame as a motivator and Bush, jesus...what a nightmare. So most people voted for Gore because the tought of Bush as president was a night mare. (ie The president of the us should be able to speak.) Or they voted for Bush because the hated Clinton.Then it all get's messed up and the guy with the least votes wins. LOL. One for the History books. It was the biggest joke. We looked like a third world country.Let's just hope it different with the next election.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Phred]
    #505863 - 12/31/01 02:56 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

"Sadly, too many members of the American Left follow the same faulty logic. "Look at how much money Jack Walton (or Bill Gates or whoever) has. He MUST be an exploiter. He just hasn't been exposed yet!"

Typical Pinky misrepresentation, slander and outright horseshit.

What Leftists (like myself) say is that People like Bill Gates should pay their fair share of taxes instead of buying politicians who will push the burdon onto the middle class.

That people like Gates use their power to try and kill competition and build monololies... Something that a Dem government stood up against and proved in a court of law. Of course now that GW is President, Microsoft is being let go to continue their abuses of the system...


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: isis]
    #505876 - 12/31/01 03:14 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I voted for Bush because I hated Gore... well ok, I wasn't Clinton's biggest fan either(but at least he wasn't Gore). But it is true that it was a shitty choice.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Phred]
    #505944 - 12/31/01 04:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I am no fan of Bush Jr., but can you imagine the chaos if Gore had won? Al would have felt compelled to "improve" pretty near everything he could think of. The mere thought still gives me nightmares.

Gore in my estimate was down right evil. Bush was just a coked up hypocrite that would probably smoke crack in the White House. Nader was a red commie. And Patrick J. Buchanan was a perfect honest patriotic red blooded American. I voted for Patrick J. Buchanan. Too bad he never had a chance. The republican party gave him a lot of grief, I think because they were afraid of him. So did the liberal media because they hated what he stood for. The way I saw it, he was my only ethical choice.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #506001 - 12/31/01 05:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Doobie, do you realize I have never voted for a Democrat?

I see the Democrats as the lesser of two evils. But most of the time I won't vote for them. I haven't yet.

So please, don't call me a Democrat. My views don't match theirs. If you want to call me "Captain Liberal" I'd find it silly and maybe slightly annoying, but it at least would be inaccurate.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #506202 - 12/31/01 10:19 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

" I voted for Patrick J. Buchanan."

really? this was not a joke? wasn't he a confessed rascist? or was that someone else?


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: PGF]
    #506206 - 12/31/01 10:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

No, Pat wasen't a racist. He was a realist that said a few unpopular things his enemies labeled as racist. For instance he wanted to end illegal mexican immigration so he must be a anti- mexican bigot. Pure rubbish!


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #506210 - 12/31/01 10:35 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

hmmm, I always thought of the mexican as a good thing...cheap labor, etc.....
where is the problem with them?


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #506211 - 12/31/01 10:39 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I agree. One does not have to look 200 years into the past to see where our country fucked up.

The REGAN ADMINASTRATION TRAINED BIN LADEN AND GAVE HIM WEOPENS- dureing the Russian invasion of AfganaSTAIN.

I blame Regan and his gang-mates.


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Re: Words of Wisdom from Slick Willy [Re: Jammer]
    #506215 - 12/31/01 10:49 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Jammer, I thought that was Carter but I'm probably wrong on that, I never thought much about it? What was the date the russian invasian began? It was certainly the president that was president when the invasion occured that armed the afghan rebels.

Are you a commie lover or somthing? Or just think communism is better than islam? Because afghanistan would still be under communist control and the soviet red union might never have fallen had not the rebels in Afghanistan defeated the reds there...


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