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 starfungi
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 San Pedro Dosage 
#1660661 - 06/25/03 04:07 AM (22 years, 24 days ago) |
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Ok, I have looked this up and from what I find the potency vary about 20-fold between the weakest and strongest san pedro. So to dose right seems tricky. I just wonder if you have any experience with this, and how much usually works. Although the potency varies a lot it seems that most cacti are somewhat similar. What's the median potency?
I suppose the potency depends on growing conditions mostly, so what can you expect from your average indoor garden center?
Thanks
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Audi0
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 Re: San Pedro Dosage [Re: starfungi]
#1660914 - 06/25/03 09:22 AM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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From the store I find them to be pretty weak. I consumed 2 ft of peruvianus and barely got off. if i were you id stick it in a dark closet and not water it for a month or so to boost it on up.
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Re: San Pedro Dosage [Re: starfungi]
#1660924 - 06/25/03 09:28 AM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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25-50 grams of dried outer flesh is a good starting point. Start at 25 and work your way up. San pedro is probably the most forgiving and gentlest psychedelic there is tho - overdosing isn't usually a problem, the problem is usually choking enough of it down to get any effects.
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Re: San Pedro Dosage [Re: Audi0]
#1660926 - 06/25/03 09:30 AM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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well if you buy from a enthogen supplier I find about 50g should be enough. But you will have to process them though.
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Re: San Pedro Dosage [Re: Audi0]
#1660957 - 06/25/03 09:46 AM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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Audio, T. peruvianus is as potent as peyote by weight. There are about 13 species of Tricacereus with mescaline inthem. Most require a 1-2 pound section of the cactus and that would be the equivelent of 300-500 milligrams of mescaline sulfate, an Indian ceremonial dosage.
The peruvianus would only require an amount equal to four to six large buttons of peyotl.
Mj
and many plant shops cannot distinguish one species of the cacti fromthe most commonone which is pachanoi.
mj
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Audi0
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Re: San Pedro Dosage [Re: mjshroomer]
#1661658 - 06/25/03 02:38 PM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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i think it was just weak mj. there were two 2ft youngsters in the pot. ive gotten them before that were really good and other times that they were weak. from now on tho im sticking them all in the closet regardless.
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starfungi
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Re: San Pedro Dosage [Re: Audi0]
#1662072 - 06/25/03 04:50 PM (22 years, 23 days ago) |
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There is no such thing as an entheogenic supplier in New Zealand. And the customs won't let you privately import anything remotely biological on the grounds of contamination risks. So the garden center was the only option. The one I've got is about 2 ft tall and 3 inches thick.
I just read that you can eat 1.5 pounds of fresh san pedro without ever exceeding the "maximum safe dose" for mescaline, 1000mg (i'm not entirely sure what this MSD means, but i'm guessing toxicity issues). You would get just this dose if you would come across the most potent san pedro ever measured, which is highly unlikely.
Another interesting approach I came across was based on the fact that the maximum safe dose is 7x of the threshold dose. So one would assume the pedro is the strongest there is and eat enough for a threshold dose (~15g dried). If nothing is felt, then 7x of that amount can safely be consumed without stepping over the MSD. This way you don't have to experience a super strong dose IF you would be lucky to come across a really strong one. And also, you don't waste too much by testing the waters.
But this also means that for any ineffective dose, one could increase this sevenfold and still be within safe limits.
I think I will go for an adjusted version of this by assuming mine is half th potency of the strongest ever measured, taking 30g dried. This also makes sense from what you guys recommended. Then if nothing happens, increase the dose 3-4x or so. But I probably need to buy another cactus to have enough plant material for this!
And by the way, once the extraction is made (i'm thinking a water/lemonjuice extraction), can this be safely frozen without losing potency?
Thanks for your advice!
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