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need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS*
    #1862506 - 08/29/03 01:36 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Hi


I recently procured this san pedro cutting:





It measures 17 inches from end to end, and the base is about 2 1/2 inches wide.  At the fattest point it's about 4 inches wide.

At the time I was to "just eat the whole thing", but I read recently that an 8 inch cutting would provide a good experience  :grin:.

I know it's *really* difficult to estimate the dose on these, but any help would be greatly appreciated.  Bearing in mind this is my first trip with any kind of cactus.

Thanks. 


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1862519 - 08/29/03 01:41 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I'd eat the whole thing. It's not dangerous.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1863064 - 08/29/03 04:43 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The trick with san pedro is eating enough to get an effect. I don't think overdose is too big a risk as it's the gentlest of the psychedelics anyway.

See how much of it you can eat - you may think you can eat it all but once you taste it i think you'll be more concerned about eating enough to get any trip whatsoever.

Certainly a wonderful experience tho. San pedro is like nothing on earth.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1863099 - 08/29/03 04:57 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I find 18' of pedro to provide a deep and rich psychedelic experiance.
I love mescaline but only do it once every couple years, but love it dearly.
Some of the most productive trips of my life have been a combo of pedro and LSD. They synergize perfectly. 18 inches of pedro and 500mcg. of LSD will put you in front of the gates of heaven and open the door and give you a push. :heart:I have many pedros growing but, don't eat it that often. Its a good choice when you need some of that magic healing. :smile:

Anyway sorry to get derailed from your question. 8 inches would
give you some effects(prepared properly), but not that strong. For me I have found that 18 inches is enough for a full blow experiance.
(prepared properly)
That cutting would be a perfect dose for me. You have to decide how far you want to travel with mescalito. I love mescaline. As Alex said it is a very gentle psychedelic. 


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1863127 - 08/29/03 05:07 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Woohoo, I first tried San Pedro back in May, check out my posts:

Dosage


Experience

I definetly wanna do it again, but not before my first DMT experience - stay tuned.

How much does that piece weigh? I took 30g dry with some rue.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Jackal]
    #1863911 - 08/29/03 10:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

All though I believe there is in fact no danger to eating the 18' cutting, I think people *should* know that mescaline is one of the few natural/organic psychadelics that it *is* possible to overdose on because its a phenethylamine... Its not very dangerous with san pedro, but with peruvian torch or peyote, you can OD even though its extremely rare.

EDIT: I dont want anyone to fear these plants(they are lovely and safe), there is no danger in eating 18 inches of pedro. The recorded deaths from phenethylamines are very *very* low, but I thought it was an interesting tidbit of info there, IE: the only naturally occouring psychadelic that actually has the ability to be physically deadly, excluding maybe a psychosomatic heart attack from another psychadelic. If anyone has any other info to the contrary, please post it.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: lateralus]
    #1864482 - 08/30/03 02:14 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

18" averaging 3.25" thick sounds good to me... any less and you risk a dud trip. But I think that's a perfect amount to start with.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: lateralus]
    #1864645 - 08/30/03 03:01 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Its not very dangerous with san pedro, but with peruvian torch or peyote, you can OD



What makes you think that?


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: lateralus]
    #1864940 - 08/30/03 04:49 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I dont know very much about this drug but if san pedro contains mescaline.....How is it less dangerous to eat this species rather than the other two cactii you mentioned?


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: orizon]
    #1865181 - 08/30/03 09:10 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

"How is it less dangerous to eat this species rather than the other two cactii you mentioned?"
Pedro is said to be considerably less potent than Peruvian Torch and Peyote..

That looks like a nice chunk of cacti Revelation! 
Enjoy :smile:


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1865319 - 08/30/03 11:46 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck downing that much Pedro. :wink:
Ive tasted a little sliver and it was the nastiest thing I have ever eaten.

Have a nice trip!


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: ekomstop]
    #1865360 - 08/30/03 12:08 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Pedro is said to be considerably less potent than Peruvian Torch and Peyote..

According to K Trout who is probably the most knowledgeable expert on psychedelic cacti in the world, pedro and torch are of similar potency. Peyote is more potent, but to overdose on it would take some doing, eating enough to get a trip is usually the biggest problem.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Xlea321]
    #1865827 - 08/30/03 03:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

*Updates mental notes..*

Thank you for clarifying that :smile:
   


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: lateralus]
    #1866049 - 08/30/03 04:50 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

lateralus said:
All though I believe there is in fact no danger to eating the 18' cutting, I think people *should* know that mescaline is one of the few natural/organic psychadelics that it *is* possible to overdose on because its a phenethylamine... Its not very dangerous with san pedro, but with peruvian torch or peyote, you can OD even though its extremely rare.
it.




Please provide one credible source that shows an overdose from mescaline(not another phenethylamine, but mescaline). Your not going to.Indians have eaten close to one hundred peyote buttons with no overdoses(or many bad effects). You might want to read the study by John Halpern MD the Harvard researcher that just did a long study on the saftey of peyote in the indian community. Indians eat large doses of mescaline containing cactus and live very long lives with no health problems that can be contributed to mescaline(in fact they show a lower rate of alcoholism if they are regular users) I have yet to see any information that would provid evidence that mescaline was any more dangerous than LSD or psilocybin.

Though you can overdose on anything including water I havn't seen any info that would show mescaline to be more dangerous. I think your stomach would explode from to much cactus before you could consume enough too "overdose" on mescaline.

Like I said if you have any valid data to prove otherwise I would be very interested in seeing it. :thumbup: 


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: chinacat72]
    #1868268 - 08/31/03 01:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the advice, guys. I will eat the entire thing. Or try to, at least.

Jackal - that sounds like one helluva trip! I have a scale but it only goes up to 125 grams, and the cactus isn't dried so it weighs a lot more than that.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1868515 - 08/31/03 04:11 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Prepare it properly and have a nice trip man.

Make sure to cut off the cuticle and woody inner core. Boil the skin and insides in water, adding more water until it is nice and thick. Boil it down however much you want, and get ready for the worst taste ever. This is a bit simplified, look around and you can find a step by step.


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Moronacracy]
    #1871938 - 09/01/03 07:21 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Well, in the end I managed to get it down alright. It didn't taste so great on the way back up, unfortunately.

Hopefully I'll have better luck next time...


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1872022 - 09/01/03 08:04 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Did you get any effects or did it "come up" before it had a chance to digest some?


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: eggystardust]
    #1872092 - 09/01/03 08:39 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Not really. Possibly some threshold effects - nothing worthwhile though.

No fair..


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1872114 - 09/01/03 08:46 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

How did you prepare it? How long after you drank it did you puke?
I have a pretty queazy stomach ,but am able to keep pedro down pretty easy. Over the years I have gotten to were I can get my extract down to about 1/2 a cup and its potent. It still tastes nasty, but i'm able to drink it in one big gulp. Once I get it down its smooth sailing.
When I first started doing pedro I messed up a few doses by not eating enough or preparing it wrong. Live and learn.
Hope you have better luck next time. :smile: 


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Re: need some help with san pedro dosage *PICS* [Re: Revelation]
    #1873494 - 09/02/03 06:31 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Revelation said:
Well, in the end I managed to get it down alright.  It didn't taste so great on the way back up, unfortunately.

Hopefully I'll have better luck next time... 




:frown: I had trouble as well. I found the problem is that when reduced in lemon juice it tastes like puke anyway.  :lipsrsealed:


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