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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: ]
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If the bush gang, as part of their massive conspiracy, didn't think their were WMD's there, they could have easily had the media (Which they own, in conspiracy-nut land) hype up how Iraq pays 30,000$ to the familyof every suicide bomber in Palestine, used that as a cause, and I think that the majority of Americans STILL would have supported it. To say that they were cognizant that no WMD's existed and still used that as their main support is stupid. If this conspiracy was set up like that, then they would have planted some WMD's for the troops to find. However, that didn'th appen. The best conspiracies aren't filled with holes like that.


Also, my post was not illogical at all. If no WMD's = No reason for war, the WMD's = a reason for war? That doesn't contradict itself at all.

You are stating that the same conspiracy that managed to pull off the 9/11 attakcs with presidential knowledge didn't have the foresite to plant the WMD's to justify their cause. IF anything, the LACK of WMD's shows that Bush was NOT aware that they didn't exist. Geez, is he an evil mastermind or ISNt he?


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Bush isn't an Evil mastermind...he's a just a puppet that is going to end up taking the heat for his handlers actions. (i.e. Ashcroft)


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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***edited by Rono***


Edited by Rono (06/02/03 01:59 PM)

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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they could have easily had the media (Which they own, in conspiracy-nut land) hype up how Iraq pays 30,000$ to the familyof every suicide bomber in Palestine

That's not going to convince anyone to invade Iraq. It's not even logical. If you wanted to stop suicide bombers you'd invade Palestine.

then they would have planted some WMD's for the troops to find.

Planting WMD's ain't that easy. Maintaining a cover-up like that is going to be incredibly difficult. You'd need to hire Iraqi scientists to say they worked on them - how could you trust people to maintain silence without killing them all?


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Xlea321]
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I see, It would be "difficult" to have some anthrax taken from USAAMRID and placed in Iraq, but it wouldn't be difficult for the president to have been in on the 9/11 conspiracy? You need to decide what level of intelligence our president has, the culpability in specific issues, and who he must be working with in order to carry out these vast (rightwing?) conspiricies. Now, various posts have implied that Bush was somehow involved in the 9/11 attacks, that he at least had knowledge BEFORE they attacked, and he is somehow using that to gain popularity. Now, if someone has the level of technical competence to carry out such a conspiracy as that, surely they could place some anthrax in iraq, have an anti-saddam dissident state that he worked on it, and that would be that.


Alex- I think that if Bush would have pushed the Iraqi' government MORE as a terror threat, and less with teh WMD's, he still would have had public support for the war. Shortly after the anthrax attacks began, certain elements were suggesting we nuke Iraq (Not me, Ithink thats insane), however, it shows that people have hated Iraq/Saddam since the first Bush whupped his ass so badly. I think that it would have been quite easy to attack Iraq based soley on their support for terrorism around the world.

jr


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Also, my post was not illogical at all.  If no WMD's = No reason for war, the WMD's = a reason for war? That doesn't contradict itself at all. 


Only in johnny land... :smirk:
(Its monday again, and after a cleansing weekend i feel ready to befoul myself reading more of johnnys posts....and worse!....responding to them. :frown:)


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Azmodeus]
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You are wrong! nanner nanner boo boo!!


Sorry, someone told me to try to think like a liberal, and from what I've seen of Azmo, this is how they all "think". Go back to school, young boy, I need not your ignorance.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Johnny, your problem is you take all the most radical ideas most contriversial to your own, and assume everyone else who doesn't think like you, believes them.

...well that and your horribly clouded incomprehendible ignorance....

(darn, im off work gotta go) :cool:


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Sorry, someone told me to try to think like a liberal, and from what I've seen of Azmo,....

Yep you sure see alot of me in the text i type. I'd tell you what i think of you, but we have certain rulz here...


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Edited by Azmodeus (06/02/03 06:45 PM)

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Azmodeus]
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So, you first state that my use of the word "see" was wrong due to the medium we are expressing ourselves on, then you use the same verb to express how you feel about me. Interesting.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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I hate the USA! GRR I'm grizzled! Fucking USA, man fuck the USA! Fucking goddamned president bush. Man I fucking wish I had enough fo an education to really make some points, but, geez, fuck the usa! MAN that rage against the machine song tells me everything I need to know! grr!

you sound like a bunch of parrots that escaped bill clintons house. Well, as i've said beore, at least your anti-war, anti-USA, anti-everything-that-isn't-pussy-liberla attitudes are SEVERLY in the minority. When Gee Dub gets reelected, I'll be laughing in the streets :-)




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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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I've decided that I will never respond to you again, since you are incapable of reason. The only exception will be if you demand a response, in which case I will simply remind you that I have decided to stop replying to you.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: silversoul7]
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I will also boycott responding to ignorant johny. he can go debate his bigotry on a kkk website.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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I hate the USA! GRR I'm grizzled! Fucking USA, man fuck the USA! Fucking goddamned president bush. Man I fucking wish I had enough fo an education to really make some points, but, geez, fuck the usa!  MAN that rage against the machine song tells me everything I need to know! grr!


Oh god bless america...ahyuk, good ol' U S of A, yeppers!!!  In support of liberty and justice they are the embodiment of just and morality.  George bush is my hero, and i'll be dancing in the streets in 2004 when he gets re-elected! 
YEEEE-HAWWWWWwwwww...../fires guns into air

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As for him taking away "our" rights, I'd like to see some concrete EXAMPLES fo this being used (not merely an act that opens the possibility for misuse, but REAL misuse on American citizens...  Do you have to gouge out one eye to be as blind as you are?


Well aparently you have, because the very passing of the patriot act is a violation of the freedoms, and liberty you hold so dear.  Its a shame you cant see past your fear of terrorists and blind government support, and see this errosion of your rights.  You'd like to see concrete examples?!  think of all the possible misuses and have no doubt that they will be taken advantage of....

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I think that the US is able to have nuclear weapons because we have the morality to use them properly. 



Are.....you......S E R I O U S!!!!!!! 
...Ignorance must truly be bliss. :smirk:
 


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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You know... not all people who dislike George Bush, or his current foreign policy for that matter, are "liberal." Many are libertarians or jaded conservatives.

Edited by Max Headroom (06/02/03 11:28 PM)

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Dude, you should open your mind in seeing other ways than just the modeled one-way of thinking.

Not everything you hear/read in the news is absoultely correct, journalists really can skew things into the way that they want.

I had a professor who once told us that we should read everything, thinking to ourselfs: "BULLSHIT", just so we would question EVERYTHING. The same professor told us about a law passed about 10 years ago which basically made it illegal for mainstream news companies to report anything negative about the government. So you are basically just hearing half the truth when you read the news...especially if you just read USA mainstream news. Try looking to other sources once in a while to get different perspectives of different situations.

Another thing. Just because I am liberal, and don't agree with GEE DUBYA BUSH doesn't mean that I am anti-american!!!! I love my country. I am just scared that we will destroy the environment and humanity with this guy in the office...among other issues which I am a little worried about of course. Its ignorant to say that I hate my country because I am against war too. I dont want my fucking friends and family dying in a war over oil. We are just creating more and more hatred and anti-american sentiment...something that you obviously don't like.

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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How bout those Yankees ....

Edited by Rono (06/03/03 09:23 AM)

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: ]
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Also, my post was not illogical at all. If no WMD's = No reason for war, the WMD's = a reason for war? That doesn't contradict itself at all.

think about that for a minute... the anti-war people aren't the ones who brought up WMD. they're asking "where are the weapons" now, NOT because it was THEIR justification for going to war but because it was BUSH's main reason for war. they're just trying to hold HIM to HIS own words. get it?

I think that the US is able to have nuclear weapons because we have the morality to use them properly.

you need help. I'm serious here. seek some professional help, you might have a tumor or something... chemical imbalance maybe... and it wouldn't hurt to study some history.

Edited by infidelGOD (06/02/03 10:37 PM)

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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: JohnnyRespect]
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Alex- I think that if Bush would have pushed the Iraqi' government MORE as a terror threat, and less with teh WMD's, he still would have had public support for the war.

Bush obviously didn't agree with you. Neither did the CIA or the UN who could find no evidence of Saddams involvement in terrorism.

Shortly after the anthrax attacks began, certain elements were suggesting we nuke Iraq

And Saddam had nothing whatsoever to do with the anthrax attacks. Do we now attack countries for things they havn't done?

I think that it would have been quite easy to attack Iraq based soley on their support for terrorism around the world.

They'dve needed proof he was involved in terrorism. As the CIA have repeatedly admitted - there is none.


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Re: To those concerned with the lack of WMD's in Iraq: [Re: Xlea321]
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WHAT?! NO PROOF HE WAS INVOLVED IN TERRORISM? This will be my last post to you, ***deleted by Rono...user warned*** Saddam paid 30,000$ to the families of every suicide bomber in Palestine. you are ignorant. Also, where youquoted my "shortly after.. nuke iraq", you cleverly forgot to finish my post, where I stated I DID NOT AGREE WITH THAT. the ENTIRE point of that comment was to show that bush could have easily drummed up public support, WITHOUT ever mentioning WMD's.


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Edited by Rono (06/03/03 09:23 AM)

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