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Species that will fruit off of grains?
    #1513523 - 05/02/03 01:30 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

What are some species that will fruit directly off of grains, and grow similarly to cubensis?

I believe Pl. djamor will. That stuff will fruit off of anything. Are other Oyster strains like that?

What about:

Stropharia ruguso-annulata
Coprinus comatus
Agaricus species

Or any others?


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Actually, it's very easy to isolate a super producing sclerotia strain.

Follow the strain isolation technique on Let's Grow Mushrooms, and then select sectors early which are brown in color.  By the second or third transfer, you'll see stones developing, and this is only about 1 month after the original swipe of spores on agar.

Now, take each stone and move it to a new dish.  Soon, the mycelium will grow out and you'll see fresh stones developing, and if they're good strains, the sclerotia is forming long before the mycelium reaches the edge of the plate.  Pick strains which form four or five stones within two weeks and use these for your grain masters.
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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Taz_Khmer]
    #1513690 - 05/02/03 02:22 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Those will all fruit on grains?

What is the difference between "Casing optional" and "Casing not required"?


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Actually, it's very easy to isolate a super producing sclerotia strain.

Follow the strain isolation technique on Let's Grow Mushrooms, and then select sectors early which are brown in color.  By the second or third transfer, you'll see stones developing, and this is only about 1 month after the original swipe of spores on agar.

Now, take each stone and move it to a new dish.  Soon, the mycelium will grow out and you'll see fresh stones developing, and if they're good strains, the sclerotia is forming long before the mycelium reaches the edge of the plate.  Pick strains which form four or five stones within two weeks and use these for your grain masters.
RR [/quote]


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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #1513743 - 05/02/03 02:54 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

species for wich a casing layer is not required will not realy benifit from one, species for wich a casing layer is optional can be fruited without, but would show better results with one.

i verry much doubt that all of those wil fruit from grain, that is merely a figure from TMC showing casing rewquirements for the species covered in the book. it bears no relevance to your question.


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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1514541 - 05/02/03 12:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

All the oysters will fruit off grains.

Agaricus bisporus will fruit off grain if cased with an unsterilized casing, but it is tricky.

I fruited shiitake off of a grain based mycobag, so thats another possibility.

Basically, anything that will pin on agar will fruit off of straight grains.


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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Workman]
    #1514884 - 05/02/03 03:04 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for the info workman.


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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Workman]
    #1515319 - 05/02/03 05:22 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hey Workman. Long time, no see !

What about SRA? I'm particularly interested in that species. How does it perform on grain?


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Actually, it's very easy to isolate a super producing sclerotia strain.

Follow the strain isolation technique on Let's Grow Mushrooms, and then select sectors early which are brown in color.  By the second or third transfer, you'll see stones developing, and this is only about 1 month after the original swipe of spores on agar.

Now, take each stone and move it to a new dish.  Soon, the mycelium will grow out and you'll see fresh stones developing, and if they're good strains, the sclerotia is forming long before the mycelium reaches the edge of the plate.  Pick strains which form four or five stones within two weeks and use these for your grain masters.
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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1515521 - 05/02/03 06:56 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I have been unable to get primordia formation on agar, with my isolates. 2 from spores, and 1 from clone.


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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Raadt]
    #1515594 - 05/02/03 07:37 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

It seems that Oyster species are the closest to cubensis as far as growth parameters. At least on grains and straw. Not sure about poo/compost.


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Actually, it's very easy to isolate a super producing sclerotia strain.

Follow the strain isolation technique on Let's Grow Mushrooms, and then select sectors early which are brown in color.  By the second or third transfer, you'll see stones developing, and this is only about 1 month after the original swipe of spores on agar.

Now, take each stone and move it to a new dish.  Soon, the mycelium will grow out and you'll see fresh stones developing, and if they're good strains, the sclerotia is forming long before the mycelium reaches the edge of the plate.  Pick strains which form four or five stones within two weeks and use these for your grain masters.
RR [/quote]


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Re: Species that will fruit off of grains? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #1516208 - 05/03/03 12:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

SRA should work on grains but it also requires an unsterile casing. It won't be easy and I have never heard of anyone doing it.

I am looking at Agrocybe aegerita as a cubensis substitute. It fruits on malt agar, is tolerant of high CO2 levels, fruits at room temperature and kinda looks like a cube. I am working with a donated culture so I hope it was labeled correctly.


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