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Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

#542464 - 02/06/02 12:12 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Greetings All:
I was wondering if anyone has any information as to the Medicinal effects of Psilocybe Cubensis mushrooms. I'm particularly interested in any studies done using Mushrooms to treat migraine headache's. Also, if you know of any studies done on Psilocybe Mushrooms used to treat Cancer I'd be interested in hearing about it. Thanks!

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

[Re: Catzeye]
#542572 - 02/06/02 01:54 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

of course they are medicinal...don't you feel good when you take them? that means they must be medicinal

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#542643 - 02/06/02 02:51 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Well, no! Actually, I feel like puking for about 1.5 hours after I eat them but I'm still interested in possible medicinal effects. Especially in regards to Headache's and Migraines. After all, the Indians used to use them for medicine...actually...they still do. I wish I could figure out a way to get rid of the Nausia I experience when I eat them. It's a reall downer.

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#543379 - 02/07/02 06:29 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Laughter...isn't it supposed to be the best medicine? :laugh:

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

[Re: Catzeye]
#543525 - 02/07/02 09:51 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

There was a thread around here a couple of days ago discussing their use to treat migrane and/or cluster headaches. Sorry I don't remember the name. But try doing a search.

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#544312 - 02/07/02 11:01 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

This may be a dumb question, but Do you smoke pot? It always manages to ease any nausea for me. Also a different method of ingestion may help.

Oh btw, sorry for not saying anything remotely related to the topic of the thread =\

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#544626 - 02/08/02 09:07 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_medical1.shtml

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#544656 - 02/08/02 09:40 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Anno! Very cool website, I love the Vaults of Erowid. What would we do without it?

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#545606 - 02/09/02 07:50 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I've always wondered if they could be used to treat depression. Most anti-depressants work by increasing/regulating serotonin your brain "absorbs". Since psilocybin is very similar to serotonin and, in effect, acts upon the same receptors as serotonin, couldn't you take a small dose daily and achieve similar positive effects as taking, say, Prozac daily?

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#547375 - 02/11/02 01:29 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I think the developers/researchers of Prozac were looking for something that acts in the similar way as psilocybin, but has differenct chemical structure so they could make it legal. The warrning on Prozac that says that on overdosing can cause epileptic seizures if probably there to scare people away from experimenting.
I tried to double the prescribed dose of Prozac and the effects were similar to mild level-one experience.
My grandmother was taking Prozac for one month trial during which she talked with her dead husband. The doctor said that hallucinations were Prozac "side effect" and that she is oversensitive to it.

My theory is that mushrooms could be used to treat depression when used in low doses as well as Prozac could be used to get high.
Of course I would not advise to experiment with Prozac (it is probably too expensive for that anyway)...

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#547685 - 02/11/02 09:31 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I've often wondered if shrooms could be used to treat chronic obessity. Since they curb your appetite, it could be very usefull for people trying to loose weight. I've also noticed that the psilocybin gives a rush of energy right after ingestion, very simular to a dose of fresh Ginseng. I met a guy who traveled in South America extensively and one time he was hiking in the mountains and fell ill with altitude sickness. The guide he was with took him to a local medicine woman and she fed him shrooms. He recovered after a few days of rest but said the shrooms saved his life.

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#554115 - 02/17/02 01:01 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Hey Catzeye,

Search the computer for an organization called "MAPS"

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

[Re: Catzeye]
#558691 - 02/21/02 03:36 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I suffer from chronic headaches. I've had them for about one year now, daily that is. According to doctors, it's no migraine but has to do with tension. This could be tension in my muscles (neck mainly), but I've already had kinesetherapy and osteopathy, which haven't helped. Another possibility could be that the problem is something emotional. I have tried about everything medically, I also tried to relax more etc. And this shit ain't getting better. But when I consume the magic mushroom, my headaches are over for the duration of the trip. The day after that, I feel the same again.
Maybe someone here knows about any herbs that could help me relieve my pain? Pot sometimes helps a bit; maybe I could try eating spacecake on a regular basis? You never know.

If you can, please help me out.

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Re: Medicinal Uses of Psilocybe Cubensis Mushrooms???

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#561846 - 02/24/02 06:58 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Well, if you really believe hard enough that they'll cure something, they just might (placebo effect).

I think we should all be grateful that at least they don't RUIN health the way other drugs do (including many prescription drugs which cause side effects and even death from adverse reactions).

If you've ever read any books by Andrew Weil (a mycophile if there ever was one) you'll know that he's a big fan of guided imagery for helping treat certain medical problems. Guided imagery, as he describes it, works best when you have a trained therapist leading you through a question-and-answer session with your own body, helping yourself (and your body) to understand what the problem is and how it should best be addressed. It's just a hunch, but I think a shroom-aided guided imagery session might do wonders. After all, shamans use shrooms to diagnose other people's illnesses--why not try to use them to diagnose your own?

As far as nausea and stomach pains go, that's a difficult problem. I don't get it so bad myself, but I think that's because from the very beginning I always chewed the suckers v-e-r-y long and v-e-r-y carefully, just leaving them in your mouth for like five minutes, chewing chewing chewing. This is impossible if you can't stand the taste, but I don't mind it. The saliva in your mouth does a lot of the digesting work, making your stomach's job a lot easier.

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#562651 - 02/25/02 02:06 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

i read that cubensis do relieve chronic headaches, but, somehow, i find it silly to go tripping to get rid of a head ache.. jus me tho

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#562807 - 02/25/02 04:22 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Psilocybin mushrooms can help people who suffer from Cluster Headaches, (also referred to as suicide headaches) but that's not the kind of headache I have.
Maybe someone knows about any herbs or something that could help relieve my pain?

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#565694 - 02/28/02 10:04 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

i have chronic headaches as well, although i haven't gotten a propper diagnosis yet, my appointment is in a month. they are definately tension headaches and as far as i can tell from my reading not cluster or migraines. usually i'll get them for a day or two at a time then they go away for a day, but sometimes they will last all week. i think part of it might be related to my working environment and my less than stellar nutritional status in the past year or so, but generally i'm extremely healthy. they are definately starting to worry me though, they are debilitating and i want to curb the problem before it gets way out of hand. any advice since you seem to have a similar problem?

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#565711 - 02/28/02 10:34 AM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Do you work out on a regular basis? Because if you don't you should, that used to help get rid of my headaches. Also, if you are having tension headaches can't you go to the doctor and get some kind of muscle relaxor?

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#565812 - 02/28/02 12:35 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

I have headaches daily. Some days, they are not as bad as usual, but they're always there. Are your headaches situated in the front, 'cause mine are. When you take shrooms, does your headache go away? I'm afraid I can't help you, but we can still share some ideas right?

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#565817 - 02/28/02 12:37 PM (21 years, 7 months ago)

Well, I play table-tennis, if you'd call that working out. I also sometimes do a bit of running. But what kind of headaches did you have? And how long did it take for them to fo away?

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#567509 - 03/02/02 02:36 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I have been getting gnarly headaches ever since I quit smoking herb. Anyone know if these go away? I've got about 21 days under my belt and before that I was smoking about 2 grams of kind a day.

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#568411 - 03/03/02 08:23 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Mine seemed to be a dull nagging headache that just never seemed to dissipate. I think it stemmed from my neck muscles always being tight, or my tendancy to grit my teeth all the time. Soma's work great at releaving the tightness in my neck, to bad I can not get a prescription for them. Excersise seemed to help out the headaches a little, but now i just smoke a lot of herb and I have not been bothered by them since.

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#568590 - 03/03/02 12:10 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Were your headaches situated in the front, 'cause mine are. They also are of the 'dull nagging' kind. I'm almost starting to feel depressed because of them. I know I feel better when I smoke a lot of herb, but I'm also looking for other methods. Maybe I should get a vaporizer?

BTW, what are soma's?

P.S A doctor recently told me that my liver is very sensitive; he said it would be
better for me to never drink alcohol. According to him, the liver is very sensi-
tive to three different things, being alcohol, fat and emotions.

I know I'm chattering.

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#571205 - 03/06/02 02:59 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone? Please

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#571564 - 03/06/02 12:32 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

SOMA's are prescription muscle relaxors. you only need one for the intented purpose, and if you take more, well tehy are fun but one day you may need them for their intended pupose and not have any. So if for some reason you get any type of prescription for the problem, use it responsibly.

PS. Being the stoner that I am I forgot that I was talking to this girl at a party last night (she must have packed up the bong about 6 times with some white widow) and we got into a conversation about NORML. Well anyways we got into a converstion about marijuana and its obvious medicinal uses. She began telling me about how she used to get really bad migraines all the time, and no matter what medications her doctor prescribed the migraines would not dissapear. She told me that she began smoking pot around this time, and noticed her headaches dissappeared. When returning to her doctor for the next checkup she told him that her headaches had began to subside, and by this time she was not getting them anymore (does not get them anymore either), but she did not tell him that she had begun smoking weed. She said her doctor was surprised to hear the headaches had disappeared, and told her that "sometimes they just go away". I don't think tehy just went away. So smoke the dank if nothing else works.

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#571690 - 03/06/02 03:24 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks man

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#572226 - 03/07/02 02:58 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Helps to cure pointless sanity

but what is sanity *music- DUN DUN DUHHHHHHHHH*

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#572557 - 03/07/02 02:07 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

No problem, I hope everything works out. I know how low the quality of life can be with a nagging headache all the time.

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#572693 - 03/07/02 04:56 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

:-)

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#574148 - 03/09/02 10:19 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Here is a link to a board for/by migraine sufferers about using Psilocybe mushrooms to treat debilitating headaches.

http://www.headachesupportgroups.com/shrooms/2001.htm

Many of them seem to feel that is is the best medication out there for the treatment of their condition.

It kind of interesting reading trip reports from a bunch of straight laced non dopers. None of them seem to be interested in "expanding their minds" They just want to stop their brains from trying to pop out of their sculls.

The doses are usually between a half and a third of that considered to be a recreational dose.Even with this small amount, many report overwhelming relief for several months.

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#602130 - 04/08/02 11:18 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, they are not migrainueurs, but "clusterheads". They (I am one of them) suffer from a syndrome known as Cluster Headaches, also called Suicide Headaches, Horton's Syndrome, and Acute Paroxysmal Hemicrania.

Psilocybin and LSD both work astonishingly well to treat these headaches. It is almost miraculous. You can't even begin to imagine the incredible relief of going from literally wanting to commit suicide several times a day for months or years at a stretch to being completely pain free. Medical texts describe the pain from cluster headaches as being the worst pain known to man: comparable to having a limb amputated without anesthesia, or delivering a breech-birth baby without anesthesia. Female clusterheads with children have stated over and over again that they would rather give birth unmedicated than endure a cluster headache. They didn't get the name "Suicide Headaches" for nothing. Some clusterheads have committed suicide rather than continue to endure the pain.

Interestingly, Marijuana, even kind bud, actually makes them worse. In some cases it has no effect, but for the majority of clusterheads, weed is a "trigger" for the pain.

Migraineurs also report relief from psilocybin and LSD. There were a few studies done on the use of sub-hallucinogenic doses of LSD in the Sixties, before LSD was criminalized. The standard dose used to achieve relief was 25 micrograms.

The most fascinating thing about using psychedelics to treat cluster headaches is that the psychedelic stops pain from occuring not just during the "trip", but also for as long as a year after the dose. This indicates that the psychedelic is not just substituting for a lack of a specific neurotransmitter, or adjusting the balance of neurotransmitters while it is in the bloodstream, but that it is actually "resetting" some kind of neurochemical regulating mechanism back to its normal state.

There is evidence that clusterheads have a defective hypothalamus, an area in the brain that is the "master regulator" of the seronin production in the brain. As most of us know, psilocin is chemically virtually identical to serotonin.

It would appear that the similarity between the two molecules is close enough that the psilocin molecule is able to occupy the receptor sites in the synapses that would normally be occupied by serotonin molecules. BUT... since it is a slightly different shape than a serotonin molecule, the signal it sends up the synaptic pathway is slightly different from that sent by a serotonin molecule.

One of the results of this slightly different signal is the familiar psychedelic mode of perception. But another result appears to be a message to the hypothalamus to stop fucking around and behave itself properly. The hypothalamus listens, resets itself, and the cluster headache "cycle" is terminated.

It's sort of like giving an old tube-style defective radio a sharp whack when it starts to drift off station. The radio resets itself, and you get beautiful clear reception... for a while. Eventually, because it is defective, it will drift off station again and need another slap. Same thing happens with the hypothalamus of a clusterhead. Sooner or later, the hypothalamus drifts "off-station" again, and another dose of psilocybin or LSD is required to reset it.

This is why I got back into mushroom cultivation after a twenty-three year hiatus... not because I wanted to trip (though I have no objection to tripping... I ate a LOT of LSD in the late Sixties and early Seventies), but because it is the most effective way of controlling an extremely debilitating neurological condition.

So... do psilocybin mushrooms have a legitimate medical purpose? Damn straight they do! Too bad the DEA will throw you in jail if you use them medicinally. And I for one DO NOT want to endure a four to six month cluster cycle while in prison.

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#603610 - 04/09/02 06:34 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Have you heard of any results from anyone using them to treat migraines?

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#604191 - 04/10/02 10:35 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

If I remember correctly, the only reports I have seen on Erowid were written by people suffering from Clusterheadaches. I'm not entirely positive though

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#605161 - 04/11/02 08:31 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

They work for migraines, too, although the remission period is variable. Some migraineurs report months of relief, others just weeks.

One trick that works VERY well for a lot of migraineurs is to put a fairly small piece of dried shroom under the tongue, occasionally nibbling and sucking on it, then tucking it under the tongue again. Some have reported relief from pretty small pieces: roughly the size of a pencil eraser.

There was one report of a migraineur getting relief from merely handling the mushrooms. She was dicing up pieces to make a tea for her clusterhead husband, and her migraine vanished. She said she felt a bit "strange" as well. She hasn't had a migraine since -- it has been several months now.

Is that weird or what?

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#20827572 - 11/12/14 03:50 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Have you experimented with drinking green tea during the nausea?

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#20827794 - 11/12/14 04:35 PM (8 years, 10 months ago)

Holy shit this thread is old!

Here are some medicinal benefits of Magic mushrooms tho:

http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/09/11/magic-mushrooms-smoking

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/single_dose_of_hallucinogen_may_create_lasting_personality_change

http://healthland.time.com/2011/06/16/magic-mushrooms-can-improve-psychological-health-long-term/

http://www.businessinsider.com/magic-mushrooms-safe-lasting-benefits-2011-6

http://ultraculture.org/blog/2014/09/15/magic-mushrooms-may-hold-key-smoking-cessation/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2753236/Could-MAGIC-MUSHROOMS-help-smokers-kick-habit-Psilocybin-hallucinogen-80-success-rate-study-claims.html.

Lots of legit proof from the medical community that there are real benefits.

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