hoodbran said:

I think one of the most insightful discoveries made of science as of late, especially  quantum physics is this idea of the observer.  Some folk call it "new agey" but when there's many Ph.D's and they all agree that the observer must be taken into account, it does start to blur the boundaries of what may be termed religion and what is clearly science.

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It absolutely is a science and I'm so glad that it's finally being recognized by the scientific community.

I was never one to "pick a side" so to speak when it comes to spirituality and science. I embrace both because I feel both are necessary when it comes to getting to the bottom of things. They go hand in hand sometimes especially when one side is faced with an issue that they can't seem to fully understand, the other side often has an explanation worth investigating.

I hope to see more of a unity between scientists and spiritualists in the near future. I feel like it's important in order for society to progress at a more rapid rate than we have in the past.

MarkostheGnostic said:

In my own clinical experience, I had a client with one sub-personality, "the protector," which apparently emerged from his childhood physical abuse at the hands of his father. We did this in hypnosis, and he was a big intimidating-looking guy who was quite timid inside. When the integration occurred, I remember him arching up out of his chair with a great gasp! It was like a sci-fi film when people exchange 'souls' with two different bodies, and then they return to their original body. Perhaps movies served as a metaphor with which he could symbolically and somatically manifest his integration. His "protector" personality would emerge if someone bullied him as a kid, or fucked with him as a young adult. It always won fights for him. And then, after integration, there was one person.

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Some folk call it "new agey" but when there's many Ph.D's and they all agree that the observer must be taken into account, it does start to blur the boundaries of what may be termed religion and what is clearly science.

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OrgoneConclusion said:

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Some folk call it "new agey" but when there's many Ph.D's and they all agree that the observer must be taken into account, it does start to blur the boundaries of what may be termed religion and what is clearly science.

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No it doesn't. The only ones claiming this are those totally ignorant of what 'observing' means in physics-speak. I/we only clarify this nonsense every other week here to those using only 10% of their brains.

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MarkostheGnostic said:

When "the protector" came out prior to the integration, was he aware of what was happening or would he blackout and forget?

Good question. This is why I like the former appellation of Multiple Personality Disorder in the most florid cases, but why it is easy to see why it was changed to Dissociative Disorder. In this case, the subject was aware of his sub-personality coming to the fore and empowering him, yet he seemed to be separate from it. He was in a true state of dissociation, but did not appear like those who were better described as having MPD. It is a matter of degree on a continuum in these disorders.

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quinn said:

yep things definitely started going mentally ill at some point

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OctoberLeigh said:

If an individual has multiple personality disorder, is it possible for each of the personalities involved to have other mental illnesses? For example, could one personality be manic while another is clinically depressed? Furthermore, if this is possible, could one or more of the personalities suffer from multiple personality disorder as well?

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OctoberLeigh said:

If an individual has multiple personality disorder, is it possible for each of the personalities involved to have other mental illnesses? For example, could one personality be manic while another is clinically depressed? Furthermore, if this is possible, could one or more of the personalities suffer from multiple personality disorder as well?

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D.I.D. - Dissociative Identity Disorder has not been called MPD for many years now. The condition seems to be formed from early childhood abuse, physical and especially sexual (Read Sibyl by Flora Rheta Schreiber).
Each sub-personality can take on dominant emotional characteristics, but each sub-personality is merely and aspect of the one person, that has dissociated from the unified person.

I was able to help re-integrate a single sub-personality in a mildly dissociated therapy client with hypnotherapy. His father used to beat him badly, and never apologized til his dying day. A "protector" personality emerged, whenever some kid or kids at school decided to bully him. He would only lose a fight if he had been in the wrong, otherwise, he could beat up more than one assailant. When the re-integration occurred, he grasped and rose up out of his chair, like you would see on some movie when a 'spirit' left a possessed person. In this case, he stopped experiencing his "protector" as a separate personality, and realized that it was his repressed rage, personified.

So, no, sub-personalities do not branch off into separate persons, ad infinitum.

quinn said:

that must be an incredibly satisfying experience

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hoodbran said:

As someone with an ex-diagnosis of personality disorder with dissociative features, i don't know if multiples is a useful way of viewing the condition.  I see my own states as modes; my features include an abandoned/abused child, an angry child, a punitive parent, the detached protector and lastly -and most underdeveloped- is the healthy adult.  Integration, IMHO, of the preceding 4 states into the healthy adult is what can be viewed as healing, discovery (as opposed to recovery), is really what MPD is about.  One wonders if implied suggestion draws out these ego modes?

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Thank you for your candid 'trip report!' 

OctoberLeigh said:

If an individual has multiple personality disorder, is it possible for each of the personalities involved to have other mental illnesses? For example, could one personality be manic while another is clinically depressed? Furthermore, if this is possible, could one or more of the personalities suffer from multiple personality disorder as well?

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