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Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace
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He talks about life in the fast lane with money, cars, hoes, how miserable he became, and how he found peace by submitting and embracing Islam.

I thought this was interesting.

:shrug:

:sun:



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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Ginseng1]
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A link might help...?


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Ginseng1]
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Submitting being the key, not Islam.


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Chronic7]
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It's missing the in-between shot though:


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
A link might help...?



:lol::lol::lol:

oops! 




:borat:


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
Submitting being the key, not Islam.


indeed.


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Ginseng1]
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Would anyone like to share their thoughts on "submission is key?"


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: CidneyIndole]
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IMO submission is a way to escape responsibility for oneself.

Also IMO, acceptance of life as it presents itself is key.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Icelander]
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IMO submission is a way to escape responsibility for oneself.


I think the idea of religion is that you subvert the self by performing all tasks for a higher power and this takes all the load off the self, if done right it should do pretty much the same thing as acceptance of what is, they are just two methods of detachment from ego. It seems to work for some but obviously being human most can't handle someone having a different religion and everyone ends up having a fight over it.


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
IMO submission is a way to escape responsibility for oneself.

Also IMO, acceptance of life as it presents itself is key.



I actually view this acceptance you describe as a form of "submission." Actually, it is more along the lines of what I was thinking.

I think you took the idea wrong, because you (as an atheist) are possibly associating this notion with "submission to the will of god," which, while i'm sure that is what this rapper might be talking about, and it is a similar concept, it is NOT exactly what I was talking about.

I was referring to submission as a general "spiritual concept."

This has value even to the non-theist, because it can be regarded as submitting to your own "greater will" or "higher self" within.


I appreciate your opinion, but you don't have to look at every aspect of spirituality through the blood-tinted glasses of religion.


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: CidneyIndole]
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I'm not an athiest. :nono:

I don't see anyone having a greater and lesser will however. 

And I don't know what spirituality is?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/RnB star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I'm not an athiest. :nono:

I don't see anyone having a greater and lesser will however. 

And I don't know what spirituality is?



Well, I do sincerely apologize for assuming you're an atheist, but you do often seem to speak like one.

I never said you don't know what spirituality is... where did you get that from?

I was merely pointing out that submission can be a general spiritual concept


Icelander said:
IMO submission is a way to escape responsibility for oneself.

Also IMO, acceptance of life as it presents itself is key.



I was also pointing out that in some versions of the concept it is, in fact, the "self" you are "submitting" to, meaning someone is not necessarily using escapism by "submitting."

You don't believe in different levels of will? That's cool. Do you believe in different levels of the mind? Do you believe that the subconscious exists?


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Re: Ex-Hip-Hop/R star "Loon" talks about his convert to Islam - From material success to inner peace [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
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IMO submission is a way to escape responsibility for oneself.


I think the idea of religion is that you subvert the self by performing all tasks for a higher power and this takes all the load off the self, if done right it should do pretty much the same thing as acceptance of what is, they are just two methods of detachment from ego.


Exactly submission or acceptance are both ways of not giving energy to the minds usual patterns & remaining in peace, remaining here, staying still, although one act can retain more ego than the other.

Submission possibly implies surrendering to something that either does not exist or something that could then abuse you in that vunerable state of submission, so it takes a very refined ego/mind/identity to honestly do so, whereas acceptance is like something you choose to do or not do, so in acceptance you still get to keep a bit more of an identity.

In the early stages of submission (ie not total submission where you become fully submerged) you can still keep an identity, identity as being something surrendering to something else, but its a very refined supple identity as it could possibly even mean non-survival for the one surrendering, it goes against many inbuilt survival mechanisms. That's why surrender to a form is necessary to fully realize the formless truth, very very few will actually dare do it!

If you solidly take yourself to be a form then there is no way you will surrender to another form, only when your mind has been softened up & tenderized, then it can surrender to an external form, by which its further softened, then it can inquire into the subtle 'I' that remains & come into full realization of its non-dual formless nature.

This is all more examples of why Self attention is necessary to completely dispell all mental illusion, as you are only ever accepting or surrendering to yourself. When Inquiry into the Self is alive acceptance or surrender are not necessary, you just are, there's nothing separate from you that you can accept or surrender to. Although this kind of truth used as a posturing of mental philosophy can be used by the mind to avoid & miss out the prerequisite of surrendering.


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