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Acid trip = bible?
    #5417434 - 03/18/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was born jewish, but ever since I started doing acid and shrooms, I started to get closer to the bible (not in a religious way...yet). I don't believe in god or anything, but when ever I do acid, the majority of the time I have seen crosses. (For example, a recent trip of mine I saw jesus hanging from those electric poles on the side of the road that look similar to "the cross". Now, really all it was, was one of those transistor boxes they have nailed to the top of them) Here are some things in the bible that I can relate to "tripping":

-Water turning red like blood. I have seen many things change color and sometimes think it changes texture.
-A bush on fire talking, not only talking, but the bushes voice is the voice of god. On a very heavy intense trip, I have herd objects talking to me, and I'm sure if your religious it wouldn't be that hard to think your talking to god through a burning bush.
-A whole ocean separating in half. Never had this trip.... but how the hell is it possible if it wasn't a trip?!
-Jesus flying into the sky. the same thing I had to say about the splitting ocean.


I think back then, they didn't have scientists or laws to tell people those things are bad. LSD-25 wasn't invented back then, so I doubt they tripped on acid, but mushrooms were most likely available. I'm not sure what they have over there in the middle east beside hashish. I don't believe in god, but jesus has something to do with acid.... or I could just be a dreamer, which I most likely am


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5417568 - 03/18/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Acid allowed me to commune with Christ, and is responsible for my conversion to Christianity. I've heard from several others here that they've had "Christ-like" experiences on acid. But you must remember that your own subjective experience of a substance is not the definitive measure of its effects.

As for the miracles in the Bible, it's important to remember a few things:

1. These stories were mostly written long after they occured, so they could be exaggerated or added later.
2. Some of them can be explained by natural phenomenon. For example, bodies of water have been known to recede during earthquakes.
3. Hallucinogens are not required for mystical experiences to occur. They can occur from fasting, high stress, or in dreams(all of which are states in which the brain produces higher levels of DMT).
4. Some stories may be intended to be interpreted allegorically rather than literally.

Also, where the hell does it say Jesus flew?


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5417608 - 03/18/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The day after he died he was lifted by god and "flew up to heaven"


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5417616 - 03/18/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not sure about Jesus, but Simon Magus could fly  :cool: :wink:


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5417622 - 03/18/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It said he "ascended into heaven." I wouldn't take that passage too literally. It simply means he went back to the heavenly Father. To say that that means he flew into the sky is to be way to literalist in your thinking.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5417623 - 03/18/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Christ's flight is an allegory for the ascension.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5417627 - 03/18/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Beat me to it.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5417920 - 03/19/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i dont think they had LSD back then, look into Amanita Muscaria. and yee shall find the truth.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5418085 - 03/19/06 07:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah...


Good thinking there thepos...


imagine?


if you took a collection of trip reports....
made up a red thread, to tie them all together, ..

then gave them out, as a "book of creation" ..


what would that book be a kind to?

I bet the BIBLE... NO offense anyone..

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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5419128 - 03/19/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I would propose the readings of Ezechiel :smile:


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5419272 - 03/19/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

DrJ found this on the internet; it's related to my possible dissertation subject -

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/pickover/pc/dmt.html

?DMT, Moses, and the Quest for Transcendence? ? Cliff Pickover

It's definitely well worth the read, though related to DMT trips, rather than shrooms - but I still think it'll be of interest to you.

And - if there was a creator God - then he made mushrooms, maybe they were designed with the purpose of helping humanity get closer to the divine?  As it seems it did for Paradigm...

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Acid allowed me to commune with Christ, and is responsible for my conversion to Christianity. I've heard from several others here that they've had "Christ-like" experiences on acid. But you must remember that your own subjective experience of a substance is not the definitive measure of its effects.




Let me know what you make of the article!

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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5419340 - 03/19/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I am also Jewish, and I was agnostic until psychedelics also opened me to certain repressed Christian symbols - most notably the crucifix. I read you post with interest, and thought that I'd scan and send this record jacket to The Doors' 'L.A. Woman' album so as to illustrate your vision as belonging to a collective idea.

The language of the Bible - contrary to many or most - is 'midrashic' and mythological, NOT literal. The symbolism needs to be understood, but lots of essentially simple people do not have the insight or predilection for a life-long quest for such knowledge, so they settle for literal interpretation and a faith which allows them to do so.

I am a Jewish-Christian Gnostic - clunky and awkward, it is at least descriptive of some of the major spiritual elements that have been integrated during the last 34 years of spiritual seeking.

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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5419495 - 03/19/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I visited Israel a few years ago, and I just loved how people greeted each other with shalom I study theology too, and I'm considering (in my final year) studying Hebrew - as I think it's so beautiful... especially the phrase "Barach Ha'ba bashem adonai" which (I believe) translates as "Blessed is he who come in the name of the Lord"

I think people definitely make a mistake of viewing both the New and Old Testaments as literal, we are so caught up in the contemporary manner of historical recording, that they forget that not all time periods did it in the manner we now do.  The Bible, and the Qu'Ran, is far more rich than people give it credit...

... I look forward to the time when I can steal myself away, into nature, and really 'commune' with the texts, and listen to what the spirits tell me

Religion wise, I'm now at a cross-roads, I was raised Christian, but now have moved gradually more towards nature, and the natural religions of paganism.  I'm doing a fair bit of study into Wicca right now, an it gives me a strange sense of coming home - anyone else looking into this area?  Or practise Wicca &/or paganism?  I'd love to discuss it - feel free to PM me, or email me as well!

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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Gomp]
    #5419672 - 03/19/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The bible does sound alot like trip reports if you don't look at it in a religious way. I'm not saying I believe some situations happened literally, I'm trying to say I think they were all hallucinations from tripping on something.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5419794 - 03/19/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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thepos said:
The bible does sound alot like trip reports if you don't look at it in a religious way. I'm not saying I believe some situations happened literally, I'm trying to say I think they were all hallucinations from tripping on something.




But even trip experiences happen literally... you take the drug (that's actually happening), and then how you perceive the world for a certain period of time following that is guided by the chemicals...

It literally happens - you just see the world in a different way to how you might do otherwise - but who is to say what is reality?  Can we not have dual (or more) realities???

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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Peyote_Princess]
    #5419925 - 03/19/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

read "the sacred mushroom" by r. gordon watson, or the golden bough by Fraizer. Christ symbolism/mthyology is very similar to the mythology of the other dying/reborn gods (osiris, but closer to dionyisus). The ancient mystery religions surrounding these gods used a "sacrement" to provide an experience of gnosis...so in a certain arch-type kind of way one can formulate a relationship between dying/reborn god symbolism/gnosis and tripping.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: thepos]
    #5419939 - 03/19/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

One other thought---christian symbolism is very prevland in American culture right now, so these images could also just be flashes/shadows from the uncounscious...a trip reflecting all the material your psyche has absorbed over time.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Taco Chef]
    #5419957 - 03/19/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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novumorganum said:
One other thought---christian symbolism is very prevland in American culture right now, so these images could also just be flashes/shadows from the uncounscious...a trip reflecting all the material your psyche has absorbed over time.




Is this like a Jungian idea of archetype do you think?

Yes - I did a 'philosophy of religion' class last term, and loved it - the tutor recommended Frazer's book, and I shall look out for the other too...

And The Golden Bough is great if you keep it in mind while watching Apocalypse Now which is one of those great movies inmho...

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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Peyote_Princess]
    #5420114 - 03/19/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well it doesn't have to be jungian, although that would be one possibility.


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Re: Acid trip = bible? [Re: Peyote_Princess]
    #5420373 - 03/19/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"And The Golden Bough is great if you keep it in mind while watching Apocalypse Now which is one of those great movies inmho..."

Is that because Colonal Kurtz (Marlon Brando) in 'Apocalypse Now' had The Golden Bough with him in his temple, along with Weston's From Ritual to Romance and a copy of the Bible?


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