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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said:
Here's another item I find to be relevant




Im not phased by that at all. Its just another way of seeing how media
greatly influences the population.

Besides that there have been reports of sightings for hundreds if not thousands
of years.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: DeadHearts] * 2
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I never reported my sightings nor did any of the other witnesses.  I don't think many people do - no-one wants to get the shit that comes with it.  I only tell people on the internet where I can just turn computer off if I get bored of the crap people give you.

I expect theres a massive wealth of reports from people to afraid to speak about it.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: nice1]
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it's the experience reports that are most interesting, not the sheer volume of people who call the local news.  My grandpa did that, he certainly didn't see any aliens, it was an "eat at joes" plane lol.


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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: g00ru] * 1
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The main reason I'm not convinced is because the vast majority of people on earth believe in some farcical religious nonsense involving magic, resurrection, premonition, etc. If you're crazy enough to place faith in that kind of nincompoopery then why wouldn't a healthy fraction of people believe in UFOs / Reptilian Illuminati / [insert conspiracy here]?

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Flop Johnson] * 2
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By that logic I guess everyones a fuckin idiot.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Flop Johnson] * 2
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Do you not think you may be tarring everything with the same brush ?

Some conspiracies turn out true.

Having said that I don't think of this as a conspiracy.  Its too well documented and there's more people talking about it than hiding it in this day compared to the early world news.

Its funny to think but in 1920 they didn't even have world news.  Its a pretty recent invention with the internet.  All of a sudden every one can talk to each other.

Its not that you should chuck your brain out the window but each case should be taken on its own merits.  That takes a lot of unbiased research with any one topic.  To really look at it objectively and study all the data without prejudice.  Its a difficult task for any person and there are a LOT of topics now.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: nice1] * 1
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i don't think ive seen any UFO "research" that i would consider unbiased, on either end of the spectrum.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Flop Johnson] * 1
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Hmmm, you are probably right but science hasn't really touched it.  Not because theres nothing there but science doesn't really deal with things like this because it can't be put in a test tube.

May be look at some scientists research.  Stanton Friedman comes to mind.  Hes probably one of the most unbiased researchers.  Also Jaques Vallee. :thumbup:

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: nice1] * 1
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I'm of the belief than most anything can be quantified if enough interest is put into it.

The lack of funding dollars is the reason it's never been adequately researched.

(or from your point of view, there has been adequate research - the government has just had the lid on the results)

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Flop Johnson]
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Flop Johnson said:
I'm of the belief than most anything can be quantified if enough interest is put into it.

The lack of funding dollars is the reason it's never been adequately researched.

(or from your point of view, there has been adequate research - the government has just had the lid on the results)


you have to understand also that because of the way these things are viewed
by most of the population scientists will not touch the subject because it
puts their credibility and careers on the line :sad:

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: DeadHearts] * 2
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Yeah - its not money.  This stuff is the highest classification in the military and secret service because its a threat to establishment.  The War of the worlds radio program showed us that!

In another way it hides itself.  My sister told me never to talk to her about my UFO experience again after I told her.  It scares some people a LOT.  They have to shut things like this out.  Thats another thing that keeps it suppressed, human nature.

You just can't rock the boat too much and unfortunately things like UFOs and ghosts (spirit) does rock the boat but we know theres a dam good chance they do exist.  We are an alien on a planet and we send UFOs to the planets around us. :shrug:  We also know life exists, spirit.  The thing that makes us different from a rock.  Theres subjects that science can't really grasp at the moment but maybe one day (soon hopefully) they will.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: DeadHearts] * 1
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New zealand, and Britians government have both released there UFO files. This phenomenon is obviously more then just a tin foil conspiracy or modern folk lore if governments are willing to put time and resources into documenting sightings and occurrences into research spanning decades.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ufos/

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou] * 2
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Thats a good point because they don't document fairies ;-)

There is a lot of data to document with this phenomena.  Theres many different methods of detecting advanced craft.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: nice1]
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My only problem with ufo's right now is that ive never seen one of thse huge football stadium type of craft which so many people talk about.


You'd think there would be good footage or pictures somewhere if there were football field sized objects flying in the sky on occasion.


The only legit looking ufo videos i seem to see is usually of bright white or colorful nights, but they never look like a big ship or anything.



Edited by skatealex2 (01/21/11 10:23 PM)

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: skatealex2]
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obvious proof is obvious proof.

Edited by chiquita_burrito (01/21/11 10:33 PM)

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: DeadHearts]
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Flop Johnson said:
Here's another item I find to be relevant





Flop Johnson said:
No one is laughing at you, and I think that's really amazing that you have seen a UFO, however it still does not
mean it was an alien.

Correlation does not imply causation.




:hmm:

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: chiquita_burrito]
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mattyyy said:



obvious proof is obvious proof.


:lol:

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: skatealex2]
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skatealex2 said:
You'd think there would be good footage or pictures somewhere if there were football field sized objects flying in the sky on occasion.



I've only heard of one case like that which was the Phoenix lights.

There was an insider that came forward and he stated that the football field sized triangles are US gov craft.  Its not one big craft - its hundreds of TR3-B flying together because the craft are modular and can interlock in flight.



Theres a lot of good photo and video of what may be the TR3b online.  This photo was backed up by 3 independant radars, pilot sightings and video from civilians.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: nice1]
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Dude Anything you read about that TR-3B is bullshit. Utter bullshit. Theres no way in hell the specs on that thing or its capabilities would get leaked.

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Re: Anyone here disbelieve in ufo's? [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
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Maybe :shrug:

Some of the witnesses like Edgar Fuche are perfectly qualified to work on craft like that and it fits in Werner Von Braun and Ben Richs statements.  Everyone is just speculating but many of the people releasing the info are definite insiders.

The statement about the craft being modular came from a guy who claimed to of worked for the elite in a project avalon video.  His job was to discredit people when they wanted - he didn't say anything about the UFO phenomena his whole interview except that one bit that he had over heard.  Sounded intriguing as he didn't know anything else much about it but it correlated with what von Braun stated about the final card after "terror" being an false alien invasion.

Edited by nice1 (01/22/11 06:44 AM)

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