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Re: On the Great Divide [Re: daytripper23]
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Icelander, stick to the topic. This New year's Resolution issue is irrelevant.

daytripper23, you've been warned several times. My guess from this last parting shot is you don't really like it here, so you might as well take a long break.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: On the Great Divide [Re: andrewss]
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then insofar as the human can communicate anything the ego is naturally a herd phenomenon and we still use this language paradigm when we try to get lofty so its a futile endeavor or something because our consciousness is very much defined in terms that are at best imaginatory when getting mystical/metaphysical/etc etc - wrong application... communication is an organic need and it is public, we misuse it a lot


As far as I understand this I agree.  We are all caught in that herd thingy you mentioned.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: On the Great Divide [Re: Luman]
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Luman said:
I don't understand how you cannot see that you at least appeared to imply what Diaboleros showed...  In one sentence you did, more or less, that.  Life is utterly meaningless, yet the language that those in that life use is fascinating?  How are these not connected?  Maybe it didn't come out right?  I'm not trying to be a dick, but you did seem to contradict yourself.  Life is meaningless, but the subtle things that help make it up are not?  I don't really buy that...  Why else would these things, like language, be there?

Life can be meaningless while at the same time being fascinating, I'm not sure why you think the two are mutually exclusive.


Luman said:
These human entities are alive, and they use communication to display this fact to others and to grow as a whole species.  Yes, that, and its significance, is of course fascinating.  Language enables us to share ideas.  But doesn't that, in itself, show that we are anything but meaningless?  If we have evolved to the point where we can share ideas to grow as a species?

How does that prove that life isn't meaningless? 


Luman said:
Do you think humans and other creatures to be soulless, inanimate things?

They're obviously not inanimate, but I don't believe that they have souls.


Luman said:
Our simple existence seems to argue differently, to my mind at least.

Sure, that's how you feel, but feelings aren't always correct or accurate. :shrug:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: On the Great Divide [Re: Poid] * 1
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Life can be meaningless while at the same time being fascinating, I'm not sure why you think the two are mutually exclusive.

True. Life is going to be what you make of it. How you feel subjectively. This, as far as I can tell is the gist of it.  You can decide to enjoy the experience knowing it could well soon be over for good or you can lament that fact. Or a combination. Or you can choose to believe on faith or your interpretation of some personal experience that there is more or continuation after death.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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