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words are meaningless outside of their context
    #7440721 - 09/22/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

but does the context have any meaning outside of [without] the words? does the context have any meaning at all?

I'm going to go ahead and guess that the answer to the second question will be: no, because meaning has to be applied as nothing inherently has meaning. But, I'm no mind reader or know-it-all so let's see what we come up with


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: demiu5]
    #7440752 - 09/22/07 02:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

see derrida


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7440780 - 09/22/07 03:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

any works in particular?


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: demiu5]
    #7440911 - 09/22/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Meaningless Bubbles! Context lusts! Context filters meaningless. A coast suffers. Meaningless butters the initiate subway above the ground silence. A landscape exposes context underneath the cool thread. The initiative cycle disappears before a guideline. A successor inspires the charming sphere next to this advance. Meaningless opens the wired mechanism beneath the fairy amplifier. How will any flower enter before context? On top of a dog camps the factual outlook. A fresh freak mends the god into an elementary lover. Will words resent the observing playground? The grass trails without context...


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7440958 - 09/22/07 04:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Take it to the Mysticism forum.:monkeydance::rofl2:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Icelander]
    #7441126 - 09/22/07 05:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What, can't handle a little right-brained poetry old man? :sun:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7441129 - 09/22/07 05:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Right-brain/left-brain is a disproven theory, sir.  Your initial statement read more like "Mad Libs," which I greatly enjoy. :grin:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Veritas]
    #7441132 - 09/22/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Not in the mysticism forum.:lol:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Icelander]
    #7441139 - 09/22/07 05:07 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Disproven is disproven, wherever you may be. :shrug:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Veritas]
    #7441160 - 09/22/07 05:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Disprove THESE. :stoned:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7441180 - 09/22/07 05:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That'll show her.:thumbup::lol:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7441204 - 09/22/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So sorry, but my rationality appears to be interfering with whatever images you might have linked to...could you try again on my wavelength?  :wink:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Veritas]
    #7442822 - 09/23/07 03:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Of course we have right and left brain hemispheres (at least at a neo cortex-wide level) and they even work (somewhat) independent of each other and (often) are organized (a bit) different, but they are directly synchronized (projected into each other) through the corpus callosum (and 'deeper' brain regions, as far as I remember).

Edit: Some fast links (not searched out very well):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A4888399
http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/120/6/1057
http://jn.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/2/1020
http://www.mclean.harvard.edu/news/press/current.php?id=49
http://www.mtsu.edu/~studskl/hd/hemispheric_dominance.html
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3M-4C6TMB9-1&_user=10&_coverDate=06%2F30%2F2004&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=e8097d2675e88ca49e7d6f357cdad746


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Veritas]
    #7442902 - 09/23/07 04:39 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Disproven is disproven, wherever you may be. :shrug:




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Disprove THESE. :stoned:




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Veritas said:
So sorry, but my rationality appears to be interfering with whatever images you might have linked to...could you try again on my wavelength?  :wink:




I didn't post a pic, I was grabbing my nuts. :tongue2:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7443750 - 09/23/07 11:03 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I am quite aware that the brain is organized into two hemispheres, what has been thoroughly disproven is the myth that there is "right brain" and "left brain" thinking.  As Middleman deemed his random word salad "right brained poetry," I posted a clarification that there is no such thing.  :grin:

There are many, many, many links on the web which continue to assert that the old split-brain hypothesis has a basis in fact.  It does not.  :shrug:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7443753 - 09/23/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Middleman said:
Quote:

Veritas said:
Disproven is disproven, wherever you may be. :shrug:




Quote:

Middleman said:
Disprove THESE. :stoned:




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Veritas said:
So sorry, but my rationality appears to be interfering with whatever images you might have linked to...could you try again on my wavelength?  :wink:




I didn't post a pic, I was grabbing my nuts. :tongue2:




I assumed so, thus the :wink:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Veritas]
    #7443770 - 09/23/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for having a sense of humor, I couldn't think of anything else to say at the time. :smirk:

Have you read The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind by Julian Jaynes? It's a different and compelling R/L brain theory.

I heard that the disproving of L/R brain theory was debunked. Got a link to disproof of the debunking of your disproof of the theory? ...I didn't think so. :lol:


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7443796 - 09/23/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No, I haven't read it, but it sounds interesting.  The "working model" which I find the most intriguing and which seems the most supported by facts in evidence is the Triune Brain theory, proposed by Paul McLean.

Rather than claiming that the "split" delineates separate functions of the brain, his theory explores the way our brain probably evolved, and the order in which it develops in utero.  :thumbup:

http://www.buffalostate.edu/orgs/bcp/brainbasics/triune.html

I can probably find links to prove or disprove anything--such is the internet. :tongue:  The right brain/left brain theory was only very loosely based upon the research results in the first place, yet it became popularized early on & popular opinion has disregarded the follow-up studies which were unable to replicate the results of the initial study.  No respectable neurologist puts stock in this theory, yet it is put forth nearly everywhere as solid fact.


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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Middleman]
    #7447016 - 09/24/07 09:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"I didn't post a pic, I was grabbing my nuts."

Man you had me.

Not that I am your nut(s) in particular.

:lol:
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Re: words are meaningless outside of their context [Re: Veritas]
    #7447552 - 09/24/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Hehe, yes, of course, as true split-brain only occurs with a cut corpus callosum. But still there seems to exist some specific dominance and imbalance sometimes, or even 'often'. But not discussable in this thread.
Or perhas yes, because it may be part of the meaning we put on words and that is picked from the context, which was built up in our brains :wink:


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