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First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice
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Ok, this could be long, but I feel like I need to get this out and I need some direction as I usually try to take the whole world on my own shoulders and from what I can see it's not working.

Up until I was about 17 or 18 (23 now) I was ridiculously happy all the time.  I had very free flowing emotions, never held anything back with friends.  I was always nervous around unfamiliar people but when I was around people I knew I couldn't be happier.

My brother dies in a car accident.  He absolutely tormented me, I can't remember one time when he was nice.  Literally.  I hate to even type this because of how horrible it sounds but it didn't effect me.  The night it happened I cried and it felt forced.  Why?  I have no clue.  I found this to be very abnormal but for years didn't think about it.

The next year is ok I'm still like I used to be, I get involved with a girl who I fally DEEPLY in love with.  I have never been so happy in my life.  Never felt such a genuine deep connection. for over a year this is amazing.  Then things change, she is influenced by her immature teenage friends and is convinced she needs to spend her high school days living free.  She starts partying, lying, changing.  We break up on and off and no matter what she does I let it be ok I don't give a shit what she does to me as long as I can be with her.  I was so involved I didn't even know what I was doing, I'm usually very good with judgement, but this was different.  I was in a state of anxiety for about 1 or 2 months when we were still talking but she was openly talking to other guys and I was FRANTICALLY trying to get her back.  After so much it just was too much and I told her I can't ever talk to you again, and I didn't for about 3 years.

After this I still felt much better than I do currently.  But I believe this may be the cause to my downfall.

During the time when I was in anxiety, my Christian father goes to jail for something very embarrassing on me and my mothers part.  Again with this, no emotion comes out.  Even typing it now I don't even know how I could not be emotional about this.  I guess at the time I was though because my girlfriend of the time told me when it happened I talked to her and she said I told her that I hated him and I never want to talk to him again.  and I one hundred percent do not remember every saying anything close to that.  I literally don't even think about my father at all and I know it's wrong and I question why I don't, I even try to bring up any emotions sometimes and its just like nothing is there.  I really don't understand.

The next 2 or 3 years lead me to the point where I am at, and I think it has all been building up at a snails pace and slowly over a few months I realize wow I am a different person than I used to be and now that I became aware of it, it seems to be worsening. 

I feel like I'm in a tight cage of my own tense mind and built up emotion.  I live in reaction and can't just stay calm and make genuine connections with human beings anymore.  I find myself not liking people for stupid reasons, probably as a defense mechanism not to trust people.  I can't think clearly, I cannot make decisions well, I can't do what I need to do in my life anymore with the ability that I used to be able to do it in.  I just feel dull and lifeless, I don't enjoy anything.  I used to be intensely passionate about so many things.  Now I think of them and even still do them and its like ehh, I feel the same just sitting in bed on my computer.

Whenever I would smoke weed I would have revelations and be like oh my god how could I not see that I've been living like this.  Then they usually fade rapidly.

I've tried forcing myself to do more things, to exercise, to be social, talk to more people, think positive and it all ends in me being exactly how I am.  I've tried meditating for a year and a half with no results.  I did an hour of yoga a day for 3 months straight with no effect whatsoever.  I've done every single general self help thing out there that I can think of, I feel like an exception to the rule.

I read anything and everything about spirituality.  Which lead me to psychedelics.  I've done mushrooms twice (consider everything before this pre-mushroom).  The first time I did a half eighth to get the feel, and it was just a nice clean high nothing happened at all.  Then about 5 months later I finally got a hold of an eighth.  Decided to do half to see how it felt and I had a pretty "bad" trip.  I was just consumed by this spiking overwhelming FEAR.  It didn't come fully out.  I felt it in the background and it consumed my mind.  I couldn't escape it.  Watch tv.  still there.  umm ok do some dishes. still there.  ok lay down. still there.  So I had to just bask in this fear.  I realized so many things in life were just a flat out plain escape from this feeling.  There were so many things my life revolved around that were just pure escapes from reality.  It was scary to realize.  I remember telling myself psychedelics are not what I should be doing and this was no way to go about revealing repressed emotions, but the forthcoming week told me otherwise.  I did have a decent hour or so afterwards where I felt pretty good.

The next week was pretty intense as well.  I felt more free, like I'd been shaken loose, like finally... FINALLY something had allowed me to CHANGE in the direction that I wanted to.  The first day after I had a lot of anxiety and I felt a heavy pain in my heart area, literally.  I began meditating with Life Flow (binaural beats) and it actually worked, my meditation actually had an effect.  I would blossom just like a flower opening.  I would come out and feel like I used to years ago.  so so so free and so spontaneous, and it was just like.. I was working how I was supposed to, this is how I'm supposed to function.  not all the time mind you it was ups and downs but it was amazing.  My mind would become so peaceful, I could point it where I wanted it to go, no intensely anxious and heavy, burdensome, irrational, thinking.  For the first time in years I didn't feel tired, that my idea of tiredness was an escape of a sort.  If I felt bad or something it was instantly ohhh I'm tired I better go someplace where I feel safer (bedroom, lay down, avoid problems). this tension everywhere in my body I didn't even realize I had would fade and I would walk with a glow.  I had this intense ability to pierce into people's souls while looking into their eyes.  For the first time ever I pulled a girl home easily, with almost no effect.  The girls eyes and mine aligned and clicked and it was just on, we both felt it and knew it, it was just like duh this is how people work this is naturally going to happen, no biggie.  I don't mean that in any sleezy type of way it was quite beautiful and real.

I don't want to sound to airy fairy but everything I read in spiritually came out in those few glimpses of awakening.  I felt like I had a POWER.  Not in a power over something type of way, but an ability to like shine the light of love onto everything.  people were drawn to me and it was just an effortless way of being that I remember being in when I was younger, but now with much more depth and understanding and intelligence to it.  I truly felt like the lighthouse that many spiritual teachers talk of.  It's what I'd been wanting for so long.  Then the downside was whenever this would happen and I felt myself open I had to cap it off because I started to awaken what I think was a gigantic emotion inside of me.  I could feel myself start to feel fear and started to calm down and be less happy just so I could avoid this coming out, because it only happened when i was around people.  I'm very good at keeping everything to myself by myself but around people emotion gets pulled out of there's one there.

some smaller bad emotions did surface but it was different than usual.  usually I noticed they were there (not knowing they were bad emotion), then pretended that I was happy instead of just feeling the emotion and letting it pass.  I didn't want to run from this feeling, I sat there even around people and felt this emotion and it was ok.

Also during this past week my ability to think clear came back, the fog was lifted.  I could do my physics homework twice as fast, and learn it twice as well.  I do online marketing and idea's were just slamming into me and every single one of them was golden.  I came up with a new research method that landed me some so highly pinpointed keywords for my sites that it blew my mind.  Life was working for me now, not against me.  I had idea's of changing my life that actually seemed plausible, where I'd been so stuck before.  These idea's were so powerful they were literally my motivation.  usually if I have a good idea its like yea that's a good idea, with zero motivation, probably because lack of emotion.  But its like now ideas and motivation were one in the same, which would seem obvious but in my previous state of being it was quite the opposite.  Previously it was good idea, with tons of mental stress and strain and just negative force to get it done.  This now was just a flow, how I used to be.  I loved it.

Now to my main point, I think that was a pretty good description of where I'm at and possibly how I got here.

slowly and gradually every day after the trip I've sunken back into my old ways and it is one of the saddest things to ever happen to me, as much as my ability to feel emotion will allow anyway.  My joy, my freedom, is fading and I want it back more than anything.  But my fear of doing another mushroom trip is making me consider if doing mushrooms is a good way to go about getting it back.

I really feel like if I pushed it over the edge and let that fear come through that I might not be ok afterwards, but on the other hand it could be like one of the reports you read where ego death happens and life is viewed from a perspective of pure bliss, I truly don't know what would happen.  More than anything I just fear the feeling, I felt like I was losing my mind, like it was plausible that I was clinically going to be insane.  I couldn't even think or talk straight for periods of time.  I've never ever felt something so intense, so inescapable, so alone.  Nothing could help me, nothing.  not my spirituality books or audios or videos, not my hobbies, no video games.  ugh.

I also kind of wonder if that it's not something that is inherently "too much" to face, but that my general idea of the intensity of emotion that can be felt is off.  to me it seems like something just too big to face, but it could be that I just don't realise or perceive that humans can endure such intense emotions and be ok.  Could taking a heroic dose and blowing past my comfort zone end in finally facing my demons?  I don't know.

What I do know is that I want to change and nothing I've done over the past 2 years of furiously trying to change has changed me one bit.

So what I want to ask any of you, if you ever have experienced something remotely similar to what I attempted to describe, what did you do about it?  Was there some way you overcame it through psychedelics, through other methods?  Have you ever been so blown past your comfort zone and been ok afterwards?  Has psychedelics helped you find deep rooted negative beliefs and overcome them?

I listen to Mckenna and Leary and they talk about it so lightly I had no clue that it was going to be like that when I did it.  I mean I read every report on here almost but the idea of it doesn't come close to the experience.

If you've gotten this far, thank you.

Any and all help is appreciated

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OneMansJourney] * 1
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Well, it sounds like after tripping you got into an open state, started being flowing, spontaneous, and natural.  Another way of saying this is being in the moment.  When you're in the moment your'e at your most natural.  It's totally normal after a trip to sink back into your conditioning slowly.  But the good news is, there are many ways to get back into the moment.  I'd suggest reading Be Here Now...something tells me you would like it.  Or if you don't feel like it, take the advice of the books title.  Just be here now!  Seriously, try being in the moment for an hour strait.  Don't follow any thoughts of the past or future, try to stay out of your thoughts as much as possible and just be in the moment.  See what happens.

Also, you could always take shrooms again, but go into it with an open mind, don't expect the same thing to happen again because it won't.


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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OneMansJourney]
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I don't have a lot of spiritual knowledge, but just reading spiritual readings and expecting to be cured won't help. They give you the knowledge but then it's up to you to work with the knowledge afterward which can take time. Also I would get back into meditation again and sit down and just observe your thoughts with no expectations as there are many benefits with it, and at the very least it's practice of living in the present moment which can help with any problem. Also I recommend the book The Power of Now by Eckart Tolle if you haven't read it already.


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Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind
Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must
Feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OneMansJourney]
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Ya meditation and yoga are always good.  Read up on old traditions. Autobiography of a Yogi was a life changing book for me, I'd highly recommend it. Honestly to me it sounds like you're doin okay though, just goin through life like everybody else.


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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: g00ru]
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I've read ever book about being in the Now in the market but I'll check that one out.  My mind is very very strong and it's very hard/impossible for me to stay in the moment =\

The Power of Now and A New Earth have got to be one of my favourite books :smile: The Power of Now changed my entire view of life.  I try to truly live as spiritually as I can and not just contemplate higher spiritual and philosophical idea's but so far either I'm not doing as good at it as I think I am, I have an inability to truly do it at the moment, or it's not working.

Thanks for the replies guys it's great to get this whole thing out on the table for dissection.

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OneMansJourney]
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You can do it.  Meditation will strengthen your control over your mind.  It's something that has to be worked towards like anything else but it's totally within anybody's grasp.  It's the moment man, it's the moment.


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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OneMansJourney]
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OneMansJourney said:
I've read ever book about being in the Now in the market but I'll check that one out.  My mind is very very strong and it's very hard/impossible for me to stay in the moment =\




Don't treat any of your experiences or your body parts as some "otherness." You are just as much a part of everything in your mind/life as the teeth in your mouth are a part of you. Accepting everything and anything that comes to mind can be the best thing for you to do right now as you seem to be struggling against some of these things that have happened. That ominous force you felt, yeah, it was really all these tragic things that have happened to you disguised and morphed into some lump of mental frustration. Next time, let it consume you. It might be scary at first, but you'll soon realize there's nothing to fear.


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No one behind, no one ahead.
The path the ancients cleared has closed.
And the other path, everyone's path,
easy and wide, goes nowhere.
I am alone and find my way.

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OneMansJourney]
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There is the case where a monk — quite withdrawn from sensuality, withdrawn from unskillful qualities — enters and remains in the first jhana: rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal, accompanied by directed thought and evaluation. He permeates and pervades, suffuses and fills this very body with the rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal. There is nothing of his entire body unpervaded by rapture and pleasure born from withdrawal.



Shrooms can 'loosen you up' to the point where this orgasmic process begins to happen on the fly, and obviously going into rapture born from withdraw seems pretty freaky to the ego, not to mention while you are around other people (and their egos), so it's no surprise that the reaction was to squeeze it off and suppress it. It can happen even if you are isolated in silence.

It is a desirable thing, yet it's also part of the greater process of your life. I would suggest respecting your body and treading carefully. :shrug:

Maybe post this subject on some Buddhist message boards and see what types of responses you get.


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comfort pleasure power love     truth awareness peace I am      I feel      I do     I love  I speak    I see    I know

why there is reality and patterned, law-like consistency at all, rather than noise or non-reality is not a question physics answers. It's a question physics presupposes an answer to in order to provide other answers.

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: Rahz]
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When you think to yourself "I don't like this," you feed into a fearful assumption that the feeling is yours alone. That which you fight or avoid is a gift that orients you toward the realization that you are being guided and inspired by something infinitely larger than what you think you are and are not. If you awoke from this dream knowing what I say is part of your imagination, it would be clear that you were talking to yourself. This is the case awake or asleep. The fact that you can read with a voice in your mind reveals the connection with the voice that also speaks through me. The reality that surrounds and sustains your being is itself a living thing, and it wants you to be happy by making other people happy. All your troubles are building up to the punchline that there is nothing outside of yourself to be afraid of.

Edited by CHIEF-CHEESE (12/02/10 08:37 PM)

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: g00ru]
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Ya meditation and yoga are always good.  Read up on old traditions. Autobiography of a Yogi was a life changing book for me,



They were so 'good' for Yogananda that he died at a relatively young age (59) from a heart attack while suffering from diabetes and phlebitis due to being overweight, poor diet (he was a sugar junkie) and lack of exercise - this despite his years of stressing that one should take good care of one's body.

Oh well, a True Master does not have to practice what he preaches. :ohwell:


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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: CHIEF-CHEESE]
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CHIEF-CHEESE said:
When you think to yourself "I don't like this," you feed into a fearful assumption that the feeling is yours alone. That which you fight or avoid is a gift that orients you toward the realization that you are being guided and inspired by something infinitely larger than what you think you are and are not. If you woke up from this dream knowing what I say is part of your imagination, it would be clear that you were talking to yourself. This is also the case when we are awake. The fact that you can read with a voice in your mind reveals the connection with the voice that also speaks through me. The reality that surrounds and sustains your being is itself a living thing, and it wants you to be happy by making other people happy. All your troubles are building up to the punchline that there is nothing outside of yourself to be afraid of.




I always have to check to see which forum I'm in before I slam this crap.

The reality that surrounds and sustains your being is itself a living thing, and it wants you to be happy by making other people happy. All your troubles are building up to the punchline that there is nothing outside of yourself to be afraid of.

Please provide some evidence for this nonsense before you give someone who's open and in a vulnerable state advice like this.:satansmoking:  Cause this is a bunch of new age bullshit as far as I can tell.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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Ya meditation and yoga are always good.  Read up on old traditions. Autobiography of a Yogi was a life changing book for me,



They were so 'good' for Yogananda that he died at a relatively young age (59) from a heart attack while suffering from diabetes and phlebitis due to being overweight, poor diet (he was a sugar junkie) and lack of exercise - this despite his years of stressing that one should take good care of one's body.

Oh well, a True Master does not have to practice what he preaches. :ohwell:




I swear to God some people will believe anything if it's in a book about some so called guru and especially if he's from India the sacred holy land.:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Ya meditation and yoga are always good.  Read up on old traditions. Autobiography of a Yogi was a life changing book for me,



They were so 'good' for Yogananda that he died at a relatively young age (59) from a heart attack while suffering from diabetes and phlebitis due to being overweight, poor diet (he was a sugar junkie) and lack of exercise - this despite his years of stressing that one should take good care of one's body.

Oh well, a True Master does not have to practice what he preaches. :ohwell:



Source on the diabetes? I've never read anything about that. How old you are when you die is pretty irrelevant imo...Yoganadna was telling people death was imminent for weeks before his heart attack, he was on top of that shit. And not that I'd expect you to believe this, but it's said he consciously left his body at the last moment.

You can spend your time searching for a perceived hypocrisy that you think invalidates everything a person has said or done in their life.  That's really a ridiculous and immature way to carry on. Still, all I really care about is that, true or not, reading that book was one of the most joyful experiences in recent memory for me. If you wanna hate on it that up to you.


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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: g00ru]
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While not everything he said would be invalidated by hypocrisy, anything directly related to that hypocrisy would be.

I found reading the Hobbit and the Trilogy one of the most joyful experiences of my life but I'm not so naive as to believe it was a true story.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: Icelander]
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I really don't care whether it was true or not.  Though my gut tells me it was.


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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: g00ru]
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your gut?:rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
You can spend your time searching for a perceived hypocrisy that you think invalidates everything a person has said or done in their life.  That's really a ridiculous and immature way to carry on.



Straw man

Quote:
Still, all I really care about is that, true or not, reading that book was one of the most joyful experiences in recent memory for me.



False Choice


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If you wanna hate on it that up to you.



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thanks, I guess?

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
your gut?:rofl2:




The gut comes to the rescue when critical thinking goes out the door.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: Rahz]
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MoxyOx said:
Don't treat any of your experiences or your body parts as some "otherness." You are just as much a part of everything in your mind/life as the teeth in your mouth are a part of you. Accepting everything and anything that comes to mind can be the best thing for you to do right now as you seem to be struggling against some of these things that have happened. That ominous force you felt, yeah, it was really all these tragic things that have happened to you disguised and morphed into some lump of mental frustration. Next time, let it consume you. It might be scary at first, but you'll soon realize there's nothing to fear.



This is what my intuition seems to be telling me, to face it.  But then I think is this something that I really want to be doing?  Using psychedelic drugs to unearth intense past trauma's?  Is the human psyche able to deal with things this way, or even supposed to?

Rahz said:
Shrooms can 'loosen you up' to the point where this orgasmic process begins to happen on the fly, and obviously going into rapture born from withdraw seems pretty freaky to the ego, not to mention while you are around other people (and their egos), so it's no surprise that the reaction was to squeeze it off and suppress it. It can happen even if you are isolated in silence.

It is a desirable thing, yet it's also part of the greater process of your life. I would suggest respecting your body and treading carefully. :shrug:

Maybe post this subject on some Buddhist message boards and see what types of responses you get.



I would much prefer it to happen in silence so I can ball my eyes out without people freaking out.  I came to realize that most my relationships are pretty ego based and surface level, not very real.  Something so real coming out would be a huge jump that I'm not really comfortable with doing around these people.

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Re: First Trip Revelations, Life, Need Advice [Re: g00ru]
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Source on the diabetes? I've never read anything about that.



Does a face-to-face with Kriyananda (Donald Walters) while staying at Ananda count?

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You can spend your time searching for a perceived hypocrisy that you think invalidates everything a person has said or done in their life.  That's really a ridiculous and immature way to carry on.



What IS ridiculous is your continous inability to read and comprehend what another has wriitten without you adding your fictitious projections.

Here are your options:

1. Show where I wrote that and win $10,000.

2. Apologize for being a douchebag by manufacturing false statements.

3. Dodge this challenge like a weak-minded wussy.

Your call... :shrug:


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