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 Yogananda and health 
#10135228 - 04/09/09 09:59 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Paramahansa Yogananda, an alleged enlightened master from India, preached health through yogic cleansing, pranayama, asanas, diet and meditation; yet he died at a relatively young 58 years old from a heart attack. He was bloated, diabetic and had phlebitis in his last years.
What does this tell us of Eastern mysticism and physical health?
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that it didn't work for that guy 
anyways longevity isn't the only factor in a 'good life™', I'd take 50 years of bliss over 80 of stress and neurosis.
edit: also, genetics play a part... sampling one person and calling it a correlation is kinda shaky. i know of very old women who smoke, maybe there's health benefits from smoking
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Edited by deff (04/09/09 10:03 AM)
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 Re: Yogananda and health [Re: Middleman]
#10135243 - 04/09/09 10:02 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nice cogent response. 
Which fact do you take exception to?
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: Middleman]
#10135262 - 04/09/09 10:06 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Middleman said:
Does someone pay you to post this shit?
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Facts?  
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They say his body didn't decay for a long time. I guess it was preserved by all that sugar.
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135286 - 04/09/09 10:11 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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that it didn't work for that guy
Normally, taking a sample size of one is not recommended; however, when one dedicates their entire life and does lectures, books, clinics, retreats, creates communities and organizations, etc. and is recognized as the world's foremost propronent of the yogic lifestyle, then is it not fair to hold them up to their own ideals of physical health?
What results could one not nearly as devoted hope to achieve? Greater health?
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: Icelander]
#10135302 - 04/09/09 10:14 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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His devotees said that. Just like Christ's apostles made up stories. Yogananda was embalmed which can protect a body from physical signs of decay for several months. Not the great mystery that was proclaimed.
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well if one also included this:
According to two eyewitnesses — long-time disciples Swami Kriyananda and Daya Mata — as Yogananda ended his speech, he read from his poem My India, concluding with the words "Where Ganges, woods, Himalayan caves, and men dream God—I am hallowed; my body touched that sod".[16][18] At the very last words, he slid to the floor,[16] dead from a heart attack.[19] Kriyananda wrote that Yogananda had once stated in a lecture, "A heart attack is the easiest way to die. That is how I choose to die."
who knows right...
but yeah, sample of one is really pushing it. i wonder what the average age yogis live to is, compared to the average in India
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135319 - 04/09/09 10:20 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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I studied under Kriyananda for three months back in 1979. All his spiritual discipline paid off when he was kicked out of the community that he founded (Ananda) for abusing his position as a counselor to garner sex.
Nice going, Donald. 
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
His devotees said that. Just like Christ's apostles made up stories. Yogananda was embalmed which can protect a body from physical signs of decay for several months. Not the great mystery that was proclaimed.
Duh
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: Icelander]
#10135336 - 04/09/09 10:24 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Just don't get me started on Chopra whose ageless body looks sixty, and a bloated sixty at that... 
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Quote:
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I studied under Kriyananda for three months back in 1979. All his spiritual discipline paid off when he was kicked out of the community that he founded (Ananda) for abusing his position as a counselor to garner sex.
Nice going, Donald.
haha... I remember that story
I see why you might have some resentment haha...
during those years, did you not learn/unlearn anything important that made your life better than prior? I'm curious...
but I think the whole teacher mentality is the problem... i wouldn't trust someone who wishes for followers myself
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135349 - 04/09/09 10:26 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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during those years, did you not learn/unlearn anything important that made your life better
Isn't it obvious.
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135356 - 04/09/09 10:27 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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At least Rajneesh lived to a ripe old bloated 58. Guess that is the ceiling for enlightened beings.
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Another enlightened being that didn't make it.
I think the same was true for Carlos Castaneda. I love how he put together some nice ideas for living but in the end I doubt he followed most of them very well himself. He was overweight himself.
Maybe most Americans are enlightened and getting more so by the day. 
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135408 - 04/09/09 10:37 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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how do they get bloated from fasting/etc anyways lol
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135415 - 04/09/09 10:39 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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They fast between bites.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Yogananda and health [Re: deff]
#10135436 - 04/09/09 10:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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They fast when they are young and achieve some mild form of mastery and then believe that normal physical laws no longer apply.
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