Tetriana said:
tiny_rabid_birds said:
now i'm in no way Obama's biggest fan, but i do feel that too many people unfairly demonize him without even remotely comprehending the scope of his accomplishments and what it has meant.
I agree. 
I would have loved to see the healthcare reform turn into something more like it is here in England, but I'm sensible enough to know that corporate America wouldn't allow it. We wouldn't want to be socialists and all. 
it's not that we wouldnt allow it, it's that it simply wont work here as
it may elsewhere, we currently have medicare, medicaid, health
departments and charitable hospitals that do what the load of horse poop
called 'the healthcare bill' is supposed to do without taxing everyone
with a job more than what they were paying with private insurance
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I haven't seen a medical bill in the five years that I've lived here (they don't exist), nor have I seen a commercial for prescription drugs. You have no idea what a relief it is. Nobody has to worry about going bankrupt when they are diagnosed with a life threatening disease..
I havent seen a medical bill in more than 20 years, I recently took my
daughter to get X-rayed for a broken arm (4mos ago), 1 ER visit,
doctards exam, x-rays and a silly $50 ace bandage later and we were
done, the hospital has sent no bills, they've not called to collect,
when asked where I work I simply explained that I had been unemployed
for 3 years and everything was handled by the hospital staff
if I get sick or injured, there's no less than a dozen of these
charitable, state and privately funded hospitals within an hour dive
from me, the closest is 15 minutes away, there's county health
departments as well, all of which are free for the public
the 3000 page monstrosity that obama and the gang passed has nothing to
do with health care, it has to do with insurance company screening, if
you cant jump through the hoops that obama has created then you cant
conduct your business here. the bill eliminated competition for all but
a few insurance providers who will now have a captive market mandated by
the government, those that couldnt get affordable insurance because of
preexisting conditions still cant because their rates will be 4 times
higher than my own
The Obamacrap bill not only is a lie in the regard that they call it
health care but it actually fucks a lot of people up, these folks
collecting SSI are the second to get fucked, all those retirees that
have paid in for so long and are now living off the pensions they set
aside will be joined by a younger group because they reduced the age for
being put on medicare (will be forced under the bill) by 10 years then
they cut the medicare budget, so the plan is to double the number
receiving medicare, cut the funding for the program and then blame
republicans for the whole fiasco... that's Obama's greatest
accomplishment to date, blaming others
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nobody has to worry about losing their job while they are undergoing treatment.. the list goes on. People are so unbelievably selfish and misinformed. 
may want to investigate that obamacare bill before you make these kinds of statements, remember this was a bill that the creators didnt want being viewed by the public during this age of 'transparency'
what was it they kept telling us it was about? jobs and job creation
where's my job? where's the jobs for the 60million americans that are
currently out of work? I thought this bull, his green energy bills and
all that were supposed to create jobs... well let's take a look at that
job creation
Obama said he created 50,000 jobs on windfarms, unfortunately it's yet another lie as those jobs were in existence for a while before the election
http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=85949
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39759042/ns/business-going_green
he created more wind farm jobs, unfortunately they are temporary jobs
just doing installations, the actual manufacturing was bid by american
companies, the winners of these bids are farming the work to china,
spain, the UK as well as other nations where it's actually more
expensive to build the wind turbines, this was supposed to be stimulus
for the american economy, not to prop up the rest of the world,
something we've been doing plenty of, just as Hillary with her billions
to mexico program to continue funding border violence from drug cartels
http://investigativereportingworkshop.org/investigations/wind-energy-funds-going-overseas/story/renewable-energy-money-still-going-abroad/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125683832677216475.html
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/columnists/jlanders/stories/DN-landers_17bus.1.ART0.State.Edition1.3f095e8.html
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Anyway, I think people like to have someone to blame...
If you want to know what Obama has actually done: http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-kept/
do out of 513 campaign promises he's managed to keep less than 100 of
them and those are suspect especially when you consider that all of his
job creation is short term, temp jobs, most of which are in the public
sector like the 2010 Census that he also decided to take over, jobs
which have ended... he did creat 7000 new jobs with the health care
bill, all 7000 with the IRS so they can collect more tax dollars
specifically for the new insurance provision we'll have to pay into
let's actually look at some of it, he used the health insurance reform
bill to strip student loans from private entities and put it into the
hands of government thus cutting out those jobs, he also included
defense spending in that budget, housing for veterans... I thought it
was about affordable health insurance, not hooking people up with a new
home or providing them student loans for culinary classes
now what's crazy is that they attribute many of these so called promises
as such, certainly not something that required an act of congress like
his health insurance bill, he made promises like 'asking americans to
cut back on energy consumption', well goodness, that promise wasnt hard
to keep, fuck, when I was growing up I heard 'turn off the lights if
you're not using them' all the time from my mother but she's not listed
as keeping a campaign promise... did they really have to stoop to levels
like that to make obama look as though he's doing something?
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/460/ask-people-and-businesses-to-conserve-electricity/
here's a funny one because veterans have always received preferential
treatment on any job in the US especially anyone that takes tax dollars
as working capital
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/466/create-a-green-vet-initiative-to-promote-environ/
Awww, here we go... yet another fulfilled campaign promise, buy the girls a dog
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/502/get-his-daughters-a-puppy/
maybe someone should really look into the lefty media that claims to be
'fact checking' because it seems they've really done all they can to
ensure obama has kept a couple of promises even if it includes shit like
waste $7million to take his wife to dinner in NY for date night or the
more recent going to see some retarded lights in India with the
assistance of 34 warships, 13 aircraft and the nuke button, all to the
tune of $200mil/DAY for this 10 day trip to impress his wife and
kids when we have a failing economy and we're hemorrhaging jobs to the
tune of 300k+ per month
now, are these really kept promises or just more lefty media because out
of the 525 campaign promises Politifact has listed (for some reason they
dont want to give the entire list either as fulfilled or not, could that
be because hundreds of promises were broken?
lets see what they listed as broken promises at fact check, this first
one is super important for mister transparency because not only did we
not get to read the bill as promised prior to the vote (the legislators
didnt either) but we were locked out of the debates even though there
was the promise... I dont recall a single republican denyng access to
CSPAN unless it was classified budget talks, certainly not on public policy
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/517/health-care-reform-public-sessions-C-SPAN/
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/515/no-family-making-less-250000-will-see-any-form-tax/
now here's an interesting one, one he cant keep because 85% of america
opposes it and it could bring about the end of his career as well as the
US government in it's current form
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/525/introduce-comprehensive-immigration-bill-first-yea/
why do we listen to obama again? why do we believe anything from him or
the press that reports on him when it's been obvious from his first day
campaigning for the senate that the media has groomed him for the job
since he won a seat in the senate in 2004, the MSM has published nothing
derogatory against obama during the campaigns and only now that the
american people are turning away and they're losing their customer base
are the finally starting to show a little truth, they still dont ask him
the hard questions though
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