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 Rustik
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 Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... (*LOCK*) 
#1514954 - 05/02/03 01:27 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are WAY too many young kids running around these forums that have NO business attempting to grow mushrooms.. I saw one thread today where a kid was asking if he could use brown rice flour because he was living with his parents and that's all his mom had...
Is there any way to do like a credit card verification thing (no charges of course) or something else to keep anyone under 18 OUT of here??
No offence to the younguns, but seriously, it's only going to get the shroomery in trouble in the end. That's how Fanaticus got screwed - parents were complaining like crazy when their 13-17 year old kids were getting spore syringes in the mail.
I think it would be in the best interest for everyone here.. All it would take is for enough parents to catch their kids rummaging through these forums or to walk into the room when they have a picture of a huge grow of shrooms up on the monitor.
Anyway, mods please think about it... So long as we know we're not gonna be charged anything, I think a credit card verification system would be perfect. Anyway, that's my .02, just worried me when I read that post a minute ago.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1514963 - 05/02/03 01:30 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's not a bad idea, but it's pretty easy for a kid to get ahold of their parent's CC, especially if they know there aren't going to be any suspicious charges appearing....
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1514993 - 05/02/03 01:41 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Isn't there a disclaimer here?
I agree however that kids shouldn't be here. But what about the 18+ people with bad credit?
I think it would be better to have a non respond rule if the poster is a kid talking bout illegal things. Or the mods could delete the message.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#1514996 - 05/02/03 01:42 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yah.. If they sound like a kid, then there should be a rule that you are NOT allowed to respond.
But that's not gonna help the shroomery out if enough angry parents decide to phuck it up - never underestimate the power of pissed off moms in large groups.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1515009 - 05/02/03 01:48 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe use that age "veri-check" system they use on adult web sites(although i'm not even sure how it works)....you know have a person have to go through that procedure B4 being allowed to register here..... 
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: FreakQlibrium]  1
#1515027 - 05/02/03 01:53 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i think its good young kids can get real information about drugs here....kids dont start drugs at 18..so why restrict information that could save their life?
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: ]
#1515075 - 05/02/03 02:02 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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id leave if i had to prove age via credit card, you also need
to remeber that the starter of this site, started it when he was 14 i belive?
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1515199 - 05/02/03 02:36 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deleted by Ripple
Edited by Ripple (05/02/03 04:10 PM)
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: ]
#1515277 - 05/02/03 03:07 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting idea but I for one would never use this site if a required Id check was in place , and as to using an adult check or some other service my teenagers showed me where you could go to Kaaza and down load programs that either have lists of passwords or have programs that will cycle words through until a password is located. Possibly a different way would be to ask who was the president when you were in 8th grade or some other dumb question that would make a person to relate to a past experience to get an age reference, Hmmm thinking of that there are days I don't even recall what I ate for dinner the previous day let alone who followed Kennedy.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: chillywilly]
#1515427 - 05/02/03 04:03 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd be gone if you needed a cc, yea bad credit sucks!!
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: ]
#1515437 - 05/02/03 04:09 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Remember ....this is The Pub not OTD lets keep it polite please.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: kindkesey]
#1515450 - 05/02/03 04:12 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont think you understand the point of this website.
This website in my opinion is both a gateway to shrooms and...even CULTIVATING THEM.
This site is very helpful because it informs everyone what shrooms are, etc. Why would this information be only allowd to people that are 18 years or older?
Since shrooms are illegal why would someone that is 18 be able to learn about it?
and about rustiks comment about if the person "sounds" like a kid.
thats a really stupid remark. The internet is full of anonymous people. We have no idea if they are a kid or not. Sure we might have a clue. But I know people that are over 18 years old that "sounds" like kids on the internet.
So in response to the credit card system. I say no to it.
why? for obvious reasons stated above and many more that I am too lazy to post.
No offense to any of you posters though. Just my thoughts....
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1515456 - 05/02/03 04:16 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Check out the rules of the Shroomery:
By use of The Shroomery Website or BBS, you are verifying that you are 18 years of age or older. This site is not intended for minors, so if you are under the age of 18, please come back when you can meet this requirement.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Ripple]
#1515462 - 05/02/03 04:20 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I find that very hilarious. I know other forums that post this too. but this is drug talk. I know its very pointless to argue about this. And I am in no way attacking Ripple or any other moderator or poster.
I just find it funny that if we are talking about illegal drugs and all. Why is it that a person that is 18 years of age have the right to view such? The BBS I can totally understand because some forums allow the usage of posting pornographic images.
But just plain old knowledge of drugs. Is it that bad? Since this is illegal? Sorry if it seems I am just rambling. My heads very cloudly atm. hehehehe
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515525 - 05/02/03 04:58 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Glad to hear your not attacking me!
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515546 - 05/02/03 05:12 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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If sites like the shroomery and overgrow openly welcomed people under the age of 18, that would only hurt us in our fight in the war on drugs. If soft drugs WERE legal in the US, it would probably still be illegal for minors to use them.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Quintessence]
#1515557 - 05/02/03 05:18 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahahaha. I think the internet in GENERAL is hurting us in the fight against legalizing cannabis. And I think its great that people are fighting for legalizing soft drugs.
Althought I always have in my head that marijuana wont be legal anytime soon....But its a fight thats worth fighting for!
So in response to Nuggets....
Learning about illegal drugs is bad for 18-
Learning about illegal drugs is good for 18+
thats basically what you are saying. But I hope you mean the cultivating part of the websites. I understand why that would be bad for a minor to view. But it really makes no sense since we are talking about ILLEGAL drugs.
but this is a great discussion. I'd be glad if you answered so we can have a good arguement. Not a bad one 
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1515575 - 05/02/03 05:25 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe there should be an intelligence quiz to get into shroomery. One that lil kids don't know shit bout.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Cracka_X]
#1515583 - 05/02/03 05:30 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Maybe there should be an intelligence quiz to get into shroomery. One that lil kids don't know shit bout. "
Unfortunately intelligence and chronological age aren't necessarily related(knowlege is perhaps) what if i fail? My don't wanna be kicked from the shroomery cauz i fail some intelligence test 
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515592 - 05/02/03 05:35 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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hahahaha. I think the internet in GENERAL is hurting us in the fight against legalizing cannabis.
This statement blows my mind. The spread of vaild information about cannabis can only help us.
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So in response to Nuggets....
Learning about illegal drugs is bad for 18-
Learning about illegal drugs is good for 18+
thats basically what you are saying.
I think it's important for kids to learn the truth about illegal drugs. But our government would rather them not unfortunately. Yes, i agree with you there needs to be a good source for kids to learn about drugs. Im just not sure the shroomery is the best place.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Quintessence]
#1515613 - 05/02/03 05:41 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i said that in response to shroomery/overgrow statement. but I failed to mention that(apologies)
it was a theory in response to that. Obviously it was my fault for not pointing out any of these when made a vague statement how the internet was hurting the fight against legalizing cannabis.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515650 - 05/02/03 05:59 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I agree.
Under 18, shouldn't be here.
Mobs of moms destroyed PF, let's not let that same mob destroy the Shroomery.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515659 - 05/02/03 06:03 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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shr00m: are you 18 years of age or over?
You seem to be defending minors a lot.
Similiarly, I remember when I was a minor, discussing topics about lowering the age for drinking and smoking. Now that I am of legal age, it doesn't really matter to me what the legal age is, and I, like most others, don't really bother wasting our time trying fruitlessly to lower that age to benefit a generation that we have already passed and most likely won't have anything to do with (regarding drinking & smoking).
So, shr00m, that is why I question you, if you understand what I just wrote above.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: SBTlauien]
#1515701 - 05/02/03 06:30 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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im 20 at the moment. when i was under 18 and in high school i knew jack about drugs...well i knew more than most, and honestly im not joking about that. people would say LSD is bad for you...leaves traces in your spine, makes you go insane after 3 hits, etc, etc. i remember once when some low life dealer decided to pick mushrooms in his backyard....dry them and sell em off as "magic mushrooms". needless to say several people got violently sick and had to go to the hospital. i dont know what kind they were...skinny, tiny caps. the day before i was on the net at school (didnt have it at my house at the time) and i was looking up shrooms and other psychedelics. i looked at some pics at one site (erowid?? lycauem??? dont recall) anyways i was going to buy some off him....i look gave me the creeps....they didnt look at ALL like the mushrooms i had seen earlier. well long story short i said i forgot my $$$ and took off. if i didnt see those pics i would have bought some and ended up in the hospital.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: SBTlauien]
#1515707 - 05/02/03 06:33 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am not defending minors. And I am going to keep to myself what age I am. I am hoping you guys can find out by the way I sound(hehe, a joke)
And I am not here to preach to lower the age of drinking or anything else. I don't think I have mentioned that anywhere. Can you please tell me where i have been "defending minors a lot." Well in a way I am but you see it differently. I may be wrong, but do you think I am trying to lower the age of drinking and smoking?
I was just talking about the right to view information about illegal drugs. Why do you have to be a certain age group to read about it? The drugs we are talking about is illegal. So it makes sense that since people over the age of 18 can read about it, why cant younger kids?
What I did mention was the legalizing of cannabis. You might have been confused about what I was trying to say; which I can clearly see.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515713 - 05/02/03 06:37 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you want to continue this conversatoin shr00m, move it to a PM.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: daba]
#1515716 - 05/02/03 06:38 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont mind continuing it on the forums.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
#1515720 - 05/02/03 06:42 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Perhaps you didn't read the rules of nice, respectable discussion in the forums... and I see this conversation continuing in the negative direction, which should be continued in a PM.
But then again, you don't read a lot of things it seems.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1515727 - 05/02/03 06:44 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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2 "kids" started the shroomery....
not saying I disagree with the no minors thing, nor that I agree with it but just stating the facts...
I would definately not use my cc to verify my age!
also keep in mind that these birdbrains could be non friendlies or bad trolls....
Edited by Morphrying (05/02/03 06:47 PM)
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Morphrying]
#1515807 - 05/02/03 07:31 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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"But then again, you don't read a lot of things it seems."
No, its not that. I just dont see why we would need to continue this conversation in PM form when I don't see this going in a negative direction.
I have been in other forums and most forums have the same rules(especially with drug talk.) So I know the rules and I not only post here but at OG.com too.
All the post I made in this thread was not ment to break out a negative arguement. (Im sorry if you(daba) felt offended in anyway.)I don't see how this was turning into a negative arguement. So that is why I choose not to continue this using PMs.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Quintessence]
#1515840 - 05/02/03 07:46 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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So you want us thta are talking about felonious activity to give our full names, addresses AND credit card numbers.... I think that the shroomery board would cease to exist
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: daba]
#1515922 - 05/02/03 08:24 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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lmfaoooooooooooooo @ u
You slay me!
What is wrong with a debate?
Nothing!
No name calling...no my dick is bigger than yours is going on.
Let em debate!
My view on all this is :
2 kids started the Shroomery...you wouldn't be here if they didn't start the Shroomery.
Then 3d took it over and he was under age...and he did and does a fantastic job!!
I really don't care what age anyone is...as long as they can act in a mature fashion...some of the younger crowd acts more mature than the older members!!!
I really don't think the minors should be posting that they are growing in mommy and daddy's house...but I did when I was younger. 
Maybe the minors should just say they are over 18 and there wouldn't be a problem.
PS.
I don't think you will ever see a crack down on minors at this site as long as 3d is running it...although I have been known to be wrong before.
lolzz
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Roadkill]
#1515933 - 05/02/03 08:28 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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/me blushes
That indeed would be a great debate topic.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: JohnnyRespect]
#1515966 - 05/02/03 08:37 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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hey I decide I will put my 2 cent in.
I think it will very hard to get minors out of the shroomery, the veri check age might work but alot of members will leave that are not minors. I feel minors should go to erowid to find out about drugs. If we are to educate the minors, why not learn from the truth or best sorcure(sp?). The shroomery is a great place for cultivation questions. Cultivation should only be done by people that are able to cultivate without the fear being caught. It does put the shroomery at risk, because you are able to trade spores and learn how to cultivate shrooms and other great plants. That is why PF went down.
Once enough minors get caught because they traded thing for spores and learned how to cultivate. they will attack the shroomery. For God sakes, the feds will even start picking out the companies that make the spores, because they advertise on here. I would never have cultivated while living at home with my parents. Its dangerous to you and the shroomery itself. Minors can find all about drugs at other sites that will be more informitive, about the nature of a drug. I think we can all say that we have seen some stupid answers to peoples questions before; thats what spreads lies. I think what Bob_J did was smart. Thats spreading the truth to the minors. He did the best thing a minor could do, because if he was caught by someone(parents, teacher, whatever) on the shroomery forum he would be in trouble because his was a minor.
well my 2 cent as I see it.
(I agree with roadkill. Do not talking about living at home with parents or being underage)
peace
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: ] 1
#1515990 - 05/02/03 08:47 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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the disclaimer should have something like....
If you get caught cultivating, etc. with shrooms don't narc on shroomery.org 
Narcs are bad. I hate narcs lol
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1516015 - 05/02/03 08:56 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very good post! 5 shrooms for you!
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Ripple]
#1516296 - 05/02/03 11:18 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Very good points have been raised by all the posters here.
I understand that many are against any credit card system - fair enough, I wouldn't want to do it either - I only suggested it because it was the only thing I could think of at the time.
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and about rustiks comment about if the person "sounds" like a kid.
thats a really stupid remark. The internet is full of anonymous people. We have no idea if they are a kid or not. Sure we might have a clue. But I know people that are over 18 years old that "sounds" like kids on the internet.
When that particular person states that they are living with their parents, don't have a job and are still in high school, it is pretty obvious they are too young to be here. I realize that the people here are generally anonymous. When I said "sounds" like a kid, I wasn't referring to grammer/spelling etc.. I meant if they "sound" like a kid as in they say they live with their parents, admit to being in high school, stuff like that.
When you live with your parents, you are usually subjected to scrutiny and the views of your parents concerning drugs are prevalent. I said it before and I'll say it again - if a parent or parents caught their kids at this site and/or caught them growing shrooms and somehow related it to this site, then it is concievable that said parents *might* decide to persue legal action. And that in turn could open the floodgates, and those of us here who wish to remain anonymous could easily be traced down via IP/gateway (which I believe is logged). We adults who frequently post in the cultivation/advanced cultivation forums *could*, in theory, be tracked down, and this is my PRIMARY concern. The safety of the ADULTS here. We have more to lose than these wreckless kids - they might get juvy or punished in some other manner, but we go to a place called PRISON if we get caught.
Shr00m - I understand where you are coming from, but you need to understand that if a kid is living with their parents, they DO NOT need to be viewing the cultivation/advanced cultivation forums. If they need info on mushrooms, there are other places to find it. Kids are going to be kids, though, and yes, it would be very difficult to weed them all out.
Perhaps if the moderators took a more aggressive stance against minors in the forums, we would all be better off. For example - if a kid blatantly admits to being such, they should be banned. They DO NOT need to be here, and their presence is a threat to those of us who have a general interest in the subject and who are on our own making our OWN adult decisions. I just don't think it is worth the elevated risk to allow kids to be rummaging through here, learning how to grow mushrooms that they are NOT mentally prepared to take.
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This site is very helpful because it informs everyone what shrooms are, etc. Why would this information be only allowd to people that are 18 years or older?
Let's face it - this is primarily a mushroom CULTIVATION forum, that is obviously the focus, and kids don't need to be culitivating shrooms. The age of 18 is chosen because that is the age at which MOST kids move out on their own and begin their own lives (effectively becoming ADULTS). The whole issue here is the fact that PARENTs have attacked and destroyed several different drug-related websites and prominent individuals in the drug community. Fanaticus didn't know how old their customers were, and that was a big problem - parents found out, and took 'em down, and Robert McPherson is probably going to do hard time because of it. I do NOT want to share his fate, and I am sure the prominant members of this community would rather avoid it as well.
I appreciate the feedback, and IMO the bottom line is that the mods need to crack down on kids. Verification is obviously a bad idea - many people do not like the idea, and I think the community would lose too many people from the implementation of such a system. However, I do believe that it is in everyones best interest for the mods to either A) come up with some other alternative or B) simply crack down and ban anyone that is obviously NOT over age 18.
It's NOT worth the risk, for any of us.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
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its very true of what you said. You make great points. Im very sorry about the screw up of the "sounding" like a kid.(wont happen again!haha).
I absolutely wouldn't want this webpage to be closed because of some kid that got caught growing shrooms and blaming it on this website. NARC. that would be terrible.
So I would understand if the owner/s of this site did all they can(in a fair way)to help prevent such things from happening as what did to Fanaticus.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: shr00m]
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a long as the disclaimer is on the website and the fact that spores are not illegal, there is no reason to block kids from this website. for legal reasons i can understand the disclaimer, but not checking credit cards. there is no way you can keep kids completely off the shroomery if they want to be here, so instead acting like a bunch of elitists, lets realize this site offers LIFE SAVING information about drug use.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1517274 - 05/03/03 09:03 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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This place has always been popular among teenagers who were living with their parents.
When Ythan started the site, he was 15 and living with his parents.
When I, and many prominent members joined, they were also teenagers living with their parents.
Also, I don't have a credit card, nor do I plan on getting one. All the credit card policy does is keep people without credit cards off of the shroomery.
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#1517284 - 05/03/03 09:12 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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"i think its good young kids can get real information about drugs here....kids dont start drugs at 18..so why restrict information that could save their life? "
That's another good point. First of all, these kids are going to be doing drugs whether they saw it on the Shroomery or not.
They either get their information from a good website or the jerk off in high school they bought their shrooms from. I think that the whole point of the shroomery and other such sites is to ensure that people use drugs safely.
You may not like the idea of a fifteen year old growing mushrooms in his parents house, but restricting his access to this website is not going to stop him from doing it.
The idea of the credit card system disgusts me, actually. I'm sure a huge number of our users would not be here now if that policy had been in place. The Shroomery is about opening information, not keeping it from people without credit cards.
I will do anything I can to prevent such a policy being put in place. If someone did put such a policy in place I wouldn't be returning to the Shroomery again.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Phluck]
#1517346 - 05/03/03 10:21 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Phluck, did you even read my second post? Go back and read it.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
#1518335 - 05/03/03 09:16 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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If we use the cc age verification thing, it will root out the legit members and leave only the pigs. It'll never happen anyways, so whatever. I see good points on both sides of the arguement.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Ripple]
#1519292 - 05/04/03 11:37 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Check out the rules of the Shroomery:
By use of The Shroomery Website or BBS, you are verifying that you are 18 years of age or older. This site is not intended for minors, so if you are under the age of 18, please come back when you can meet this requirement.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum1&Number=1517049&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: motaman]
#1519407 - 05/04/03 12:39 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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EXACTLY what the mods need to be careful with!!! Mods PLEASE - if you see anything like this, please get rid of them!
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: motaman]
#1519416 - 05/04/03 12:42 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, when Ythan built the site in the early days, I'm sure he did not expect a ballooning of this magnitude.
Albeit unprofessional, The Shroomery's become a bit of an online institution now. The only mature course of action, in my opinion, is to restrict access to it's information to responsible adults. The simple fact of the matter is that The Shroomery is not a very tightly regulated information resource. The Shroomery does not in general contain very balanced, consistent information about these very delicate, potentially life-changing subjects. As such, it's only reasonable and in the best interest of everybody that informed individuals be the ones who explore this particular archive.
Of course, I also found The Shroomery at age 15. That is beside the point. Let's face it:
Children, especially the naturally unaware middle class type children (myself included at that time), should not be so carelessly gobbling mushrooms and other sacraments. To a more distressing degree are MDMA, pharmaceuticals, inhalants, opiates, stimulants.. the list goes on. These things are not rightly paired with psilocybin, either in the public eye or the minds of youth.
Now don't get me wrong. I of course advocate the begetting of honest information surrounding psychedelic issues to young people. The Shroomery, though, does not even begin to fit that framework.
When employing the strategy of credit card verification, Phluck highlights the unfortunate truth that many people opt out of the credit game. Keeping minors out of The Shroomery seems an insurmountable, ultimately impractical task. What else is there to be done? Who is hurt by The Shroomery in contrast to those who are helped? These are important questions that should be under constant scrutiny.
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If I hadn't read the shroomery and erowid before I turned 18, I think there's a good chance I might have killed myself or done myself serious harm. I don't think the age rule is good.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: bert]
#1520239 - 05/04/03 07:22 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I hadn't read the shroomery and erowid before I turned 18, I think there's a good chance I might have killed myself or done myself serious harm. I don't think the age rule is good.
Me too
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: SBTlauien]
#1520782 - 05/04/03 10:55 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm 18 but still no card, well I had one but I got rid oof it. but like I said this thing will never happen. Maybe it would be fine if people admitted they were under 18 and were allowed access to proven info or something.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: SBTlauien]
#1520979 - 05/05/03 12:23 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who cares, kids are smart. If you want credit card 'verification', they'd just get their parent's CC or steal someone's off the internet.
PS- Fuck credit cards.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Adamist]
#1521307 - 05/05/03 06:05 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here's an excellent example of why kids should be kept out of the shroomery
Putting acid in a drink for somebody you don't like
Somebody please ban this little fuck
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: zeta]
#1521370 - 05/05/03 07:57 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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i love elitists.
maybe you should tell him why he shouldn't do that, or is your nose to high in the air?
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#1521409 - 05/05/03 08:31 AM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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whats sick is their are adults who would do the same thing. I know many people 18+ that are just retarded. Not even with the 20 ft beer bong!
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Rustik]
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: motaman]
#1522551 - 05/05/03 05:01 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ummmm Zeta, please don't think all 'kids' are like this. I know for a fact there are plenty of 'brainy', mature and sensible under 18's out there who turn to this place for support and advice. Enforcing the 18+ idea would be very ignorant... Also, stereotyping SUCKS!
P.s. By making this post I am in no way saying I am below the age of 18. I am merely putting across how I feel the under 18's who enjoy this site would react to being banned!
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Nirvana]
#1523007 - 05/05/03 07:34 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Enforcing the 18+ idea would be very ignorant
well they are .. clink on link in the post above yours.. or.. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum6&Number=1520913&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
Following is a copy of a thread in the Website Announcements & Feedback forum. Questions and comments must be addressed in that thread.
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This post is designed to re-inform everyone that The Shroomery does not allow minors in the community. Per our Disclaimer, use here indicates user agreement to sitewide policies. Therefore, anyone found to be under the age of 18 years will be banned from our site. This is being brought up as a reminder since we recently had to go through and remove some user's access to the community after they flaunted their minority age status on the forums. Apparently, people are not paying enough attention to our policies.
If you are found to be underage, you will be banned.
Here is a linked listing of sitewide policies that everyone should understand (they can also be found linked on the bottom of every BB page). Additionally, we have a set of administrative rules & guidelines that dictates how we run the site which can be found at the top of the Website Announcements & Feedback forum:
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#1523324 - 05/05/03 09:29 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think this is one of those policies like the army/navy/airforce has with gays:
"Don't tell, Don't ask"
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: Thor]
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I think this is one of those policies like the army/navy/airforce has with gays:
"Don't tell, Don't ask"
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: motaman]
#1523411 - 05/05/03 10:48 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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true, and don't double post and everything will be okay. 
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: motaman]
#1523418 - 05/05/03 10:53 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have an idea - if someone is found to be underage and banned, they should be given a link to www.erowid.org or something similar.
Also, you don't have to sign up to retrieve the information on this site.
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: silversoul7]
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i wouldnt have if the server wasnt overloaded...
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I have an idea - if someone is found to be underage and banned, they should be given a link to www.erowid.org or something similar.
Also, you don't have to sign up to retrieve the information on this site.
if someone can't find or dosen't have the capacity to get all the info they need on shrooms by searching here and viewing the FaQ without asking questions.. then they shouldn't be doing shrooms or growing them in the first place...sure it helps to be able to ask questions..but i don't think there is a question that can't be searched for that has not been previously answered.here in the shroomery threads....Honestly.. I don't think by sending someone to erowid for answers on shrooms would answer all the questions someone might have... seeing how..there is no other better information anywhere on the internet regarding shrooms than here...but for other needs.. erowid is great..
just my opinion.. and you know what they say about those...
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Re: Keeping kids OUT of the shroomery... [Re: motaman]
#1524708 - 05/06/03 02:02 PM (22 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since I started this thread, I feel that I should also be the one to end it.
Let's end it with this: CC verification is not an option, too many people would drop from the community, and we don't want that.
I believe the moderators are doing a good job and wlll continue to handle the situation in the future, this post is no longer necessary and should be locked.
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