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(Clay Aiken most noticeably. Haha, this is the Pub. You can't flame me  I like some John Mayer too) 

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must contain myself....need to ignore.....argghhhh...........

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Britney lip synches, American Idol people are just covers, and I can't really think of any more mainstream people since I haven't watched MTV in over a year.

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Of the mainstream, top 40, artists, I only respect one: John Mayer. He writes his own songs, and if you seen Chappelle's 

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You can do your own research. I've been through this issue enough times. Go watch MTV or something..

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there is the difference IMHO 

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you're right.  There seems to be a stigma attached to success that I haven't been able to understand.  The more popular you get the more people say you sold out.  It's a double edged sword and is the point of this thread, nice job.

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Innvertigo said:
This is what I found. There is no doubt that Phish is doing good things but they DO NOT give all of their live show money to charity. (even though this has absolutly nothing to do with the topic being discussed)

THE WATERWHEEL FOUNDATION

Phish set up the Waterwheel Foundation in 1997 to oversee the band's charitable activities. The Waterwheel Foundation works on a few different fronts: the Lake Champlain clean up, the touring program, and the giving program.Lake Champlain stretches more than one hundred miles from Vermont's Green Mountains to the Adirondacks of New York. The lake is plagued with pollution problems and the Waterwheel Foundation has donated $118,000 to various environmental groups committed to cleaning it up. The proceeds from every sale of Ben and Jerry's Phish Food flavor is donated to the clean up.The touring program allows non-profit organizations to set-up information booths and raise funds at Phish shows in each city Phish plays. Organizations like Rock the Vote and the Phellowship (an organization of clean and sober phans) benefit from the touring front of the Waterwheel foundation and the touring division has donated $77,000 to more than 70 charities.The giving program oversees Phish's involvement in benefit concerts like Farm Aid and the Bridge School Benefit, as well as grants to aid charitable organizations and arts programs in Vermont. Learn more about the Waterwheel Foundation at www.phish.com.Phish phans have also organized the Mocking Bird Foundation (www.mockingbirdfoundation.org) to raise money for various charities. The Mocking Bird Foundation has raised funds through the sale of "The Phish Companion," a 928-page guide to the music and overall spectacle of Phish, as well as "Sharing in the Groove" a Phish-tribute album that features Dave Matthews, Jimmy Buffet, the Tom Tom Club, Lake Trout, Little Feat and several others performing the music of Phish. The Mocking Bird Foundation has donated more than $170,000 to music education for children.

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Ripple said:

I do know that if i hear something I like I really dont give a rats ass how it's classified.

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I agree.
Yet are sub-consciousess are often at work here.. although me , you and most people at the shroomery are quite "followin our own path" types of people.. wich is rare and cool

innvertigo- the whole concept of what selling out is, is strange, Im gonna get back to this later when my brain is less fried

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And the Dead have the Rex foundation named after Rex Jackson.....I wonder hoe much they have donated to charity?

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if you hate the people who listen to a band
it kinda transfers over to their music

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bloodflower6 said:
Exactly. It's trendy to hate popular music. I disagree with that logic though. I listen to anything that floats my boat, whether it's popular or not. Granted alot of the mainstream music is trash right now, but there are a few good ones.

TOOL
A Perfect Circle
Radiohead
Mars Volta
Modest Mouse
etc...

bf6

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Baby_Hitler said:
Good musicians draw on their life experiences to create their art. When they become megasuccessfull, it changes their lives, and consequently changes their art, usually not for the better.

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