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Hating popular music. * 1
    #2446480 - 03/18/04 08:32 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I've noticed something strange. Many people on this site dislike anything that our society deems to be popular. Case in point, popular music. I'm not discussing top 40-esque type of music like the American Idol Kareoke singers but rather bands/groups that sell a lot of albums.

I see it as those rooting for the under dog. Those that rip on people who listen to these "polpular group's" music for the sake of being followers are just as bad as those who won't listen to obscure music because it's not popular, does that make sense?

And what exactly is mainstream? Isn't Grateful dead and Phish sorta mainstream within the hippy(for lack of a better word) community


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446482 - 03/18/04 08:33 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

It's cool to say you hate popular music.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446487 - 03/18/04 08:36 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I hear you, man.. and it bugs the fuck out of me.

Hating mainstream is now.. mainstream. o_O

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    #2446491 - 03/18/04 08:38 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)


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    #2446498 - 03/18/04 08:42 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

mainstream shmainstream....... be your own person, dont let anyone else make you decisions for you. Wear what you think looks good, listen to what you think sounds good. I'm sick of people who like or dislike things based on the way other people feel about them. Be an individual.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446506 - 03/18/04 08:46 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I just don't like the fact that alot of the "mainstream" music put out now days seems to be more about raking in the $$$ rather than actually creating good meaningful music. Yes The Dead and Phish may be "mainstream" within the "hippy-type" cultures as you put it, but arn't they still more about promoting the music and it's communitys than anything else?

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Jared] * 1
    #2446510 - 03/18/04 08:48 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I've always disliked those that were rebels for the sake of being a rebel. This can apply to any situation,


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446513 - 03/18/04 08:50 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I agree and disagree.  Sometimes its just psychologically annoying when you see a band you've been devoted to becoming all mainstream.  Like lets say a band that you could relate to with your deepest feelings for so long, and it was all special because you discovered this band and its something special for you and the other few who listen to it... then one day that band gets blown up everywhere you look and you start seeing teen girls listening to it just cause its the cool thing to do... etc.  I hate that, but I wouldnt say i'm one of those people who follow the crowd that hate the mainstream because THATS trend.  If people would be all wrapped up in this listening to music would get frustrating... poor early teen girls... :shake:


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: ekomstop] * 1
    #2446516 - 03/18/04 08:54 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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Yes The Dead and Phish may be "mainstream" within the "hippy" cultures as you put it, but arn't they still more about promoting the music and it's communitys than anything else?




Perhaps, but don't fool yourself in thinking the Dead and Phish aren't doing it for the money. I'm not saying this is the only reason (as with MANY popular bands), and i'm sure they LOVEED/LOVE what they play, but it is one of the reasons they do what they do.

What's wrong with making money? If their music sucks they won't make money. Many people here dislike Metallica but it can't be denied that they are popular with MANY people. I really don't care how they market themselves as long as they produce music that "I" enjoy.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446525 - 03/18/04 09:00 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Metallica is a band that can get as famous as possible but still be loved by all type of people... good band.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: filthysock] * 1
    #2446526 - 03/18/04 09:00 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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...because you discovered this band and its something special for you and the other few who listen to it... then one day that band gets blown up everywhere you look and you start seeing teen girls listening to it just cause its the cool thing to do




Isn't that being selfish? I understand what your saying but I don't look at other fans who listen to a group then make my decision if I want to listen to them. I found out my sister likes Metallica, I was bummed (my sister was/is a holy roller)but I still like Metallica.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446537 - 03/18/04 09:05 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Listen what you want to listen to. Live and let live.

I hate the mainstream media for many reasons because yes, they are all about money. You know they are getting smarter these days though.. I mean shit.. Robert Randolph was on Carson daly for fucks sake. I don't care how many people would like my favorite band. It wouldn't change the way I feel about it. Because I kinda stopped watching tv and listening to the radio all together.

And no Phish is definitely not in it just for the money. They donate all the income from there live music sales to The Mocking Bird Foundation.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446544 - 03/18/04 09:08 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I don't see anything wrong with making money, infact I think groups like TOOL, The Dead and Phish as examples would deserve some money for the hard work they put into their passion.  Everyones gotta make a living somehow. 

However when crap like Britney and N'sync are making millions of dollars for their labels through mass media and promoting crap in teenie bopper magazines ect.  ...I thought this was the kind of "mainstream" you were reffering to...This is the kind of thing that bugs me. 

I could only imagine how things would be different if influences like TOOL, The Dead and Phish were the ones in the mainstream spotlight, all over the media promoting clothing/magazines and products for modern culture. Now that would be interesting..  :smile:

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446546 - 03/18/04 09:09 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I'm no saying it like disgusts me to he point where I stop listening to the band... its just annoying... like say punk in general ok.  I love punk... and it really annoys me when i walk down the street and see some teen girl wearing some expensive pink top with "I  :heart: Punk" written on it in glitter.  Its just annoying, but I'll still listen to the same music...  I cant really explain my point. 
Imagine you dead heads suddenly saw the dead dressed up in expensive garments, rolling up in the most expensive car, getting out with the hottest bimbo's you've ever seen, waving money around and kissing up to the press and promoting their newest song which is on the top list of every pop list... like what would you feel?


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Quintessence] * 1
    #2446548 - 03/18/04 09:10 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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They donate all the income from there live music sales to The Mocking Bird Foundation.




I have a hard time believing that. I'm not saying it's not true because I don't follow Phish but where did you find this info?

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Owned.




Who's Owned? and what was the point?


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446553 - 03/18/04 09:13 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

He feels his arguement owned, he was like, "HELL YEAH I OWN, I RULE!!!" :tongue:


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446564 - 03/18/04 09:19 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

The point is, you have no idea you are talking about. :yesnod:

Yes. Phish actually was the first band, I believe, to offer live downloads off the internet, pretty much right after the show ends from the soundboard. And they in fact do donate all of it to Mocking bird. I don't care if you believe me  :laugh:

Guess what else. Metalica just recently decided to copy this idea.. And we both know how they feel about money (see napster issue)

Phish loved the idea of free music. Metalica cried like fucking bitches.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Quintessence] * 1
    #2446594 - 03/18/04 09:32 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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The point is, you have no idea you are talking about.




Oh lord, another militant hippie.  What exactly do you think i'm trying to talk about?  I asked a question of why people seem to be down on popular music for the sake of it and you are a prime example of that person.  Congrats. :thumbup:

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Yes. Phish actually was the first band, I believe, to offer live downloads off the internet, pretty much right after the show ends from the soundboard. 




Who cares? Phish can send out free videos for all I care, that wasn't the point of this thread.  re-read.

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Guess what else. Metalica just recently decided to copy this idea.. And we both know how they feel about money (see napster issue)




Yet again, I don't care what they do to either make their money or market themselves.  As long as their music is liked by me.  You're going on a tangent that is not related to anything i'm talking about.

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Phish loved the idea of free music. Metalica cried like fucking bitches. 




sigh......so what? Great for them.  Please see my original post. 

while you're at it, could you direct me to where it says Phish donates ALL their live show money to charity?


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446597 - 03/18/04 09:35 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

For me, it isn't a question of whether I like or hate popular music. I enjoy some of it (Clay Aiken most noticeably. Haha, this is the Pub. You can't flame me  :tongue: :wink: I like some John Mayer too) I think it's more a question of respecting their talents as musicians.

Most the the top 10 over the past few years haven't written their own songs. Linkin Park uses the same tired formula with screaming, their guitar player blows. (Funny case - He got pissed off at people on a guitar forum for making fun of him for not being able to play, so he made a video of him soloing and put it on the internet, and he's a fucking schmuk. It is the WORST piece of noise I've ever heard from a professional musician.) Britney lip synches, American Idol people are just covers, and I can't really think of any more mainstream people since I haven't watched MTV in over a year.

Of the mainstream, top 40, artists, I only respect one: John Mayer. He writes his own songs, and if you seen Chappelle's Show or Austin City Limits, you know how good he is at playing guitar. In interviews he's admitted his albums are just 10 songs put together to get out an album, he recognizes they're not great, but they get the job done. But when you hear him play the blues or covers of Hendrix or SRV, you know the kid has got talent and one day, once he makes his name known, he's going to go back to his roots and bust a nut all over the popular music scene.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo] * 1
    #2446604 - 03/18/04 09:38 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

You can do your own research. I've been through this issue enough times. Go watch MTV or something..


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Quintessence]
    #2446635 - 03/18/04 09:52 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Nice way to back up a point :thumbdown: :thumbdown:

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: oneducktwoducks]
    #2446685 - 03/18/04 10:14 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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(Clay Aiken most noticeably. Haha, this is the Pub. You can't flame me  I like some John Mayer too) 




must contain myself....need to ignore.....argghhhh........... :grin:

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Britney lip synches, American Idol people are just covers, and I can't really think of any more mainstream people since I haven't watched MTV in over a year.




I agree but I was really talking about mainstrem rock/rap.  It is undeniable that the Spears' of the world are only there for their look.  If Britney gained 30 LBS she would have no more career.  I was watching American Idol about a month or so ago (yeah I watched it at the beginning (mainly for those that couldn't sing)) and Simon said that she didn't have the look but could sing.  But just after that he said that it was a singing competition and you should be able to sing.  WTF?

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Of the mainstream, top 40, artists, I only respect one: John Mayer. He writes his own songs, and if you seen Chappelle's 




I seen him on the Chappell show, very funny.  I don't care what kind of music people play as long as somone in the group writes and they play an instrument.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Quintessence]
    #2446688 - 03/18/04 10:15 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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You can do your own research. I've been through this issue enough times. Go watch MTV or something..




No thanks, you brought it up I didn't.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2446690 - 03/18/04 10:17 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Slayer is mainstream, yet they never sold out.

there is the difference IMHO

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    #2446700 - 03/18/04 10:21 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Slayer WAS mainstrem in the Heavy Metal genre but I really wouldn't call them mainstream in "regular" circles of music listeners.

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there is the difference IMHO 




you're right.  There seems to be a stigma attached to success that I haven't been able to understand.  The more popular you get the more people say you sold out.  It's a double edged sword and is the point of this thread, nice job. :thumbup:


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Quintessence]
    #2446766 - 03/18/04 10:49 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

This is what I found. There is no doubt that Phish is doing good things but they DO NOT give all of their live show money to charity. (even though this has absolutly nothing to do with the topic being discussed)

THE WATERWHEEL FOUNDATION

Phish set up the Waterwheel Foundation in 1997 to oversee the band's charitable activities. The Waterwheel Foundation works on a few different fronts: the Lake Champlain clean up, the touring program, and the giving program.Lake Champlain stretches more than one hundred miles from Vermont's Green Mountains to the Adirondacks of New York. The lake is plagued with pollution problems and the Waterwheel Foundation has donated $118,000 to various environmental groups committed to cleaning it up. The proceeds from every sale of Ben and Jerry's Phish Food flavor is donated to the clean up.The touring program allows non-profit organizations to set-up information booths and raise funds at Phish shows in each city Phish plays. Organizations like Rock the Vote and the Phellowship (an organization of clean and sober phans) benefit from the touring front of the Waterwheel foundation and the touring division has donated $77,000 to more than 70 charities.The giving program oversees Phish's involvement in benefit concerts like Farm Aid and the Bridge School Benefit, as well as grants to aid charitable organizations and arts programs in Vermont. Learn more about the Waterwheel Foundation at www.phish.com.Phish phans have also organized the Mocking Bird Foundation (www.mockingbirdfoundation.org) to raise money for various charities. The Mocking Bird Foundation has raised funds through the sale of "The Phish Companion," a 928-page guide to the music and overall spectacle of Phish, as well as "Sharing in the Groove" a Phish-tribute album that features Dave Matthews, Jimmy Buffet, the Tom Tom Club, Lake Trout, Little Feat and several others performing the music of Phish. The Mocking Bird Foundation has donated more than $170,000 to music education for children.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: oneducktwoducks]
    #2446786 - 03/18/04 10:55 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

there is a lot of popular music that is crap but i totally agree with you man.. there are so many people that just don't like anything because it's popular and it's just stupid.. im open to a lot of different music and i like what i like, whether it be hugely popular or almost unknown, whatever i think is good, whatever turns me on, that's what i go for :smile: hehe


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: oneducktwoducks]
    #2446792 - 03/18/04 10:56 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Other than 80's music, which was just so terrible is was wonderful, I can't think of any 'popular' music out there that I actively listen to.  Most of the pop today is out there for dancing purposes.  If you want to go clubbing, you don't hear Metallica or Tool or NIN playing because the dance floor would be a huge mosh pit instead of a huge orgy pit.  You can't dry hump to the kind of music I like.

I enjoy listening to music that is more intricate, more emotional, more original, more inventive.  And that kind of music isn't 'popular' right now.  I don't really hate pop music....unless you stick Britany Spears in my face....I just don't respect it.  Therefore, I don't listen to it.

A few bands and artists that I feel should be recognized for their incredible music:
-Sigur Ros
-System of a Down
-Radiohead
-Tool                     
-NIN                     
-Portishead               
-Sneaker Pimps           
-Filter                   
-Bj?rk
-Elliott Smith

Yup.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2446808 - 03/18/04 11:00 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Good musicians draw on their life experiences to create their art. When they become megasuccessfull, it changes their lives, and consequently changes their art, usually not for the better.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2446815 - 03/18/04 11:02 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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Innvertigo said:
This is what I found. There is no doubt that Phish is doing good things but they DO NOT give all of their live show money to charity. (even though this has absolutly nothing to do with the topic being discussed)

THE WATERWHEEL FOUNDATION

Phish set up the Waterwheel Foundation in 1997 to oversee the band's charitable activities. The Waterwheel Foundation works on a few different fronts: the Lake Champlain clean up, the touring program, and the giving program.Lake Champlain stretches more than one hundred miles from Vermont's Green Mountains to the Adirondacks of New York. The lake is plagued with pollution problems and the Waterwheel Foundation has donated $118,000 to various environmental groups committed to cleaning it up. The proceeds from every sale of Ben and Jerry's Phish Food flavor is donated to the clean up.The touring program allows non-profit organizations to set-up information booths and raise funds at Phish shows in each city Phish plays. Organizations like Rock the Vote and the Phellowship (an organization of clean and sober phans) benefit from the touring front of the Waterwheel foundation and the touring division has donated $77,000 to more than 70 charities.The giving program oversees Phish's involvement in benefit concerts like Farm Aid and the Bridge School Benefit, as well as grants to aid charitable organizations and arts programs in Vermont. Learn more about the Waterwheel Foundation at www.phish.com.Phish phans have also organized the Mocking Bird Foundation (www.mockingbirdfoundation.org) to raise money for various charities. The Mocking Bird Foundation has raised funds through the sale of "The Phish Companion," a 928-page guide to the music and overall spectacle of Phish, as well as "Sharing in the Groove" a Phish-tribute album that features Dave Matthews, Jimmy Buffet, the Tom Tom Club, Lake Trout, Little Feat and several others performing the music of Phish. The Mocking Bird Foundation has donated more than $170,000 to music education for children.





And the Dead have the Rex foundation named after Rex Jackson.....I wonder hoe much they have donated to charity?


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2446818 - 03/18/04 11:03 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

But back on topic....I don't even know what mainstream music is anymore?

I do know that if i hear something I like I really dont give a rats ass how it's classified.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: ]
    #2446851 - 03/18/04 11:16 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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Ripple said:

I do know that if i hear something I like I really dont give a rats ass how it's classified.






I agree.
Yet are sub-consciousess are often at work here.. although me , you and most people at the shroomery are quite "followin our own path" types of people.. wich is rare and cool :cool:

innvertigo- the whole concept of what selling out is, is strange, Im gonna get back to this later when my brain is less fried :crazy:

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Ripple]
    #2446853 - 03/18/04 11:18 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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And the Dead have the Rex foundation named after Rex Jackson.....I wonder hoe much they have donated to charity?




I have no idea how much they give. Any amount is honorable.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2446859 - 03/18/04 11:20 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

While I agree
if you hate the people who listen to a band
it kinda transfers over to their music


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: ]
    #2446860 - 03/18/04 11:20 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I like to think of mainstream music as the shit on MTV, the shit on the radio, and most of the shit winning awards.

Now, not everything playing on the radio or television is crap, but I believe most of it is.  Have you heard how many terrible covers are playing out there?  And all American Idol is doing is reusing music.  A lot of the time, it's really good music that's getting butchered by people who think they can sing.  And I'm not talking about the auditions.  I'm talking about the people they have on now, in the semi-finals or wherever they are.

I'm just sick of listening to 'artists' who don't write their own music.  I'm just sooooooo siiiiiiiick oooooooof iiiiiiiit!!!!!!

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: KthxBye]
    #2446894 - 03/18/04 11:32 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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if you hate the people who listen to a band
it kinda transfers over to their music




why? There are a lot of people that I don't like that listen to Metallica (my favorite) and it doesn't make me any less inclined to listen to them. Maybe it's just me then.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2446929 - 03/18/04 11:44 AM (20 years, 5 days ago)

whether I like music or not has nothing to do with how popular it is. I really dont even know whats popular and what isnt anymore. I dont watch mtv or listen to the radio. I get all my music from the recommendations of friends who know me pretty well. some of the music I like is popular and some of it is unpopular. I really dont know which is which, all I know is I get funny looks from people when i play certain shit, and nods of approval when I play other shit. But I like it all.


As far as the whole "bands selling out" thing goes:


I think success and selling out are correlated but not necessarily causative. I think that the age of the musician has a lot to do with it, too. Mettalica got pissed about napster because they aint teenagers anymore. Theyre old men with families to feed and their hard and fast lifestyle hasnt left them with much else to give in the way of good music... so they're adamantly defending the shit they did in the past because its their main income... And its hard to rock if youre 35 or 40 and you have kids and shit- especially if you've been doing it for tht long and that hard.

I do have mad respect for successful musicians that realize they dont have any good music left in them and decide to retire before they sell out. Soundgarden is a good example. I was sad when they broke up, but the fact remains that they never released a bad albumn.

Also, some bands embrace the mainstream in order to shed light on the underground, like Nirvana. And I think that was pretty noble. I dont think of nirvana as sellouts. I didnt see them as people pushing a product, just people trying to get a message out.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: ]
    #2446983 - 03/18/04 12:01 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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bloodflower6 said:
Exactly. It's trendy to hate popular music. I disagree with that logic though. I listen to anything that floats my boat, whether it's popular or not. Granted alot of the mainstream music is trash right now, but there are a few good ones.

TOOL
A Perfect Circle
Radiohead
Mars Volta
Modest Mouse
etc...

bf6
:lipsrsealed:



I wouldn't call Mars Volta or Modest Mouse "mainstream," but I agree.  There's plenty of good music out there that's popular.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #2447000 - 03/18/04 12:05 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
Good musicians draw on their life experiences to create their art. When they become megasuccessfull, it changes their lives, and consequently changes their art, usually not for the better.



This is why I like bands that have a trippy sound. That way, in order to maintain their sound, all they need to do is continue to use psychedelics, which is even easier to do when you're famous.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2447010 - 03/18/04 12:07 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I'm a weird guy and I listen to weird music. I also listen to music that was popular at one point, like hit songs from the 50s to the 90s. I don't listen to any new music though. That stuff does nothing for me.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: ]
    #2447112 - 03/18/04 12:44 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I don't judge people on what kind of music they listen to (like someone earlier in this thread). I have many friends who like groups that make my ears bleed or lull me to sleep. If you could listen to both spectrums of my music you'd besurprised as to how different they are from one another.


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    #2447666 - 03/18/04 03:02 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

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JonPathetic said:
I'm a weird guy and I listen to weird music. I also listen to music that was popular at one point, like hit songs from the 50s to the 90s. I don't listen to any new music though. That stuff does nothing for me.




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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2448550 - 03/18/04 06:35 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I know what you mean man.

To dislike something because it is popular or mainstream is just as stupid as liking it for those reasons. Like you are somehow better than everyone else because you are into some obscure bullshit.
Rediculious.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #2448571 - 03/18/04 06:40 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

Yes.. but diversity is very important. People should be free to choose from a wide variety of music. That just doesn't happen with the mainstream media. The music industry likes to consolidate all of their music sales into a few artists because it is more efficient and profitable. That's why the "artists" on MTV are more likely to be sexy than talented.


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Quintessence]
    #2448604 - 03/18/04 06:46 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

not popular music.

corperate bullshit music

its ok to follow the music as long as the band is the leader and not there record company


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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2448664 - 03/18/04 07:01 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

I don't listen to the radio much, or watch MTV. I don't know what music is best selling right now, and I don't care. I probably don't like very much of it.
I think that some mainstream musicians are artists, and really care about the quality of their work, but most mainstream music is heavily marketed crap that is shoved down the throats of the tasteless masses.

I don't think that being money-motivated is incompatable with being a good musician artist. However, mainstream music is marketing driven, in many cases a sterile, packaged, standardized product where the glamor surrounding the music is more important than the content of the music itself. A poor musician can make more money than a good one, so many comercially sucessful musicians concentrate on marketing themselves to the exclusion of improving their music.

Now, the quality of music is somwhat a matter of taste, but... in my oppinion, it is bad taste to prefer Brittany Spears to James Brown, bad taste to prefer Johann Strauss to Johann Sebastian Bach, bad taste to prefer what Oakenfold spins to Apex Twin or Hallucinogen, and bad taste to prefer Metallica to Einsturzende Neubauten.

Personally, I don't like McDonalds, but not because it is mainstream - it's well-marketed crap. I don't like half the stuff on the radio, but not because it's mainsteam - it's just well-marketed crap.

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Re: Hating popular music. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #2449515 - 03/18/04 10:06 PM (20 years, 5 days ago)

yah i tend to like music when its obscure but many times when it becomes uber popular i like it less..whY? i have no idea...good post.

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