lines said:

I'm just wondering why one of the guys is dressed in some sort of military uniform. I'm not gay myself but I like the fact people are allowed to do sexual stuff on the street. I don't care if kids see it. Children shouldnt be used to restrict my freedom... and they often are used as an excuse to do just that. And I really don't think if a small child sees a naked woman that thats going to hurt them.

But I'm just wondring whats up with the military uniform? I wonder if a lot of the police and military guys are gay? Am I misinterpreting the significance of this uniform or am I mispercieving homosexuality?

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crime and punishment, I dont think its meant to signify that lots of cops/millitarys are gay its just meant to show you that he's some kind of occifer. or somesing

I agree tho, what a glorious time ot be alive, when if we want we can pretend to choke one another in the middle of the street for sexual satisfcation WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

Diploid said:

I'm just wondring whats up with the military uniform?

I think it has to do with the domination thing. Some like to give orders and others take them.

I used to have a neighbor who was into the S&M thing. I was fascinated by him because he was weirder than me and that takes some doing. He was a minority (gay) within a minority (weird sex). I questioned him about how it all works.

Basically, everyone agrees ahead of time what all the rules will be, what the fantasy to be played out is, what drugs if any will be available, and exactly how far each participant is willing to go, like how much pain, physical injury or no, blood or no, all of that. Then they go to it.

Some have domination fantasies and get off on uniforms and billy clubs, rope, whatever. Others get off on being used and humiliated.

As a completely open minded person I've tried to fantasize about it but it just does nothing at all for me. Too bad. Guess I'm repressed.

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I like to pretend I'm a captive at Abu Graib being tormented and punished for being a terrorist.

Diploid said:

I was looking for a video I saw a while back of a cop freaking out on a guy he made a traffic stop on and was yelling at the top of his lungs shit like "did you hear me BOY... listen to me BOY... get out of the car LITTLE BOY". I'll post it if I can find it but check this one out, it's close. Makes me wonder what kinda shit he's into in bed:

Cops are such jerks.

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AlphaFalfa said:

To me what would be better for them is to help people understand them, instead of a parade, possibly some form of information day where ALL types of gay people give their opinions of not ONLY sexuality, but child rearing, politics, to things like entertainment.

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AlphaFalfa said:

What does it imply to ask that what we think about this?

Does it hurt society? i think it does, it creates an even bigger understanding gap between the liberals and conservatives and pulls the people in between. Lets face it, we live in a conservative society and this stuff makes people EVEN more afraid of sexuality than they already are. How? Well everyone has a diverse sexuality and these people can spark desires that were once repressed to heavily to notice, maybe no nessecarily to the extent of BDSM but most definitely to the extent of homo erotica. in my opinion, this realease of desire that is seated deep withing all of us, lies reason for hatred and bigotry, resentment and a higher sense of insecuirty AND MORE iMPORTANTLY, sensitivity to ANY actions that CORRELATE with this in the public.

To me what would be better for them is to help people understand them, instead of a parade, possibly some form of information day where ALL types of gay people give their opinions of not ONLY sexuality, but child rearing, politics, to things like entertainment. People like this, offer more reason for the generally ignorant conservatives to hate them and themselves, creating a greater social fragmentation and less comfortable social interaction.

Sadly, the liberals are themselves to ignorant to see this and they do things like these.....

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Diploid said:

If only the times allowed ALL of us to do whatever the fuck we wanted to so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else (read: droogz, all of them).

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Especially crack!

Oweyervishice said:

Maybe they aren't trying to convince anyone of anything? Maybe they're just having fun?

i wasn't talking about their intentions, read carefully.

"Well everyone has a diverse sexuality and these people can spark desires that were once repressed to heavily to notice"

How is that a bad thing again? Repressed desires aren't very healthy...unless your desires are going to involve hurting others.

Show me where i said it was bad. Sadly, you won't, read carefully, OK?

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snoot said:

AlphaFalfa said:

To me what would be better for them is to help people understand them, instead of a parade, possibly some form of information day where ALL types of gay people give their opinions of not ONLY sexuality, but child rearing, politics, to things like entertainment.

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When did i say i gave a flying fuck about this?



All i believe is that this is not socially healthy, unless there is understanding amongst the general populace, which is conservative in their understanding of the event.


thats what they are doing, the idea of this country is for anyone to be themselves, be whoever you want to be, regardless if you like having sex with rubber manikans, or dressing up like a cowboy and roping in naked man cattle. who gives a shit, I certainly dont, its all the TV and dramality shows that make people numb and think the way they think.

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lines said:

AlphaFalfa said:

What does it imply to ask that what we think about this?

Does it hurt society? i think it does, it creates an even bigger understanding gap between the liberals and conservatives and pulls the people in between. Lets face it, we live in a conservative society and this stuff makes people EVEN more afraid of sexuality than they already are. How? Well everyone has a diverse sexuality and these people can spark desires that were once repressed to heavily to notice, maybe no nessecarily to the extent of BDSM but most definitely to the extent of homo erotica. in my opinion, this realease of desire that is seated deep withing all of us, lies reason for hatred and bigotry, resentment and a higher sense of insecuirty AND MORE iMPORTANTLY, sensitivity to ANY actions that CORRELATE with this in the public.

To me what would be better for them is to help people understand them, instead of a parade, possibly some form of information day where ALL types of gay people give their opinions of not ONLY sexuality, but child rearing, politics, to things like entertainment. People like this, offer more reason for the generally ignorant conservatives to hate them and themselves, creating a greater social fragmentation and less comfortable social interaction.

Sadly, the liberals are themselves to ignorant to see this and they do things like these.....

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I am not trying to lead people anywhere with my question of what their opinion on it is... if people have an ethical opinion on it, a political opinion, a psychological opinion, a spiritual opinion, a sociological opinion... whatever sort of opinion they have is what they have, I am not looking for one particular sort of opinioin. Any opinion.

To respond to your opinion... should people be compelled by the squeamishnes of others to not have a right to enjoy themselves? I am not gay but at the same time if gay people want to have sex in the street together than thats their right.

FUCK, when did i say what some people should or should not be doing?

All i described was the social consequences of such an event, by taking the point of view of the general populace. in my opinion, it is their right, everyone is free, but does that mean that every thing makes people achieve their goals? Surely, if you ask these people, would you like to live in a more liberal, accepting, sexually affiliated society? Where two men or women can walk down the street holding hands without gaining any negative attention, possibly even with a child by their side which they are raising?

We will agree on what their answer would be, however, the means through which they are attempting to achieve this makes no psychological sense.

These people are actually making it worse, much much worse. Just use your emotional intelligence for a second; imagine, being ignorant of the diverse group of people that are the homosexuals, and thus imagining that these people or the ones half naked having dry sex in a parade represent 'homosexuals'? All the while imagining that they want to HAVE children?

Can you possibly expect these ignorant people to accept them, when some if not most of them still believe in hell, the devil, godly punishment, etc?

They can't even accept people who have abortions and children out of wedlock and somehow this BDSM thing actually creates some form of remidiation to the lack acceptance, social understanding and normalization that they would like to experience?This is 'straight' forward, from my perspective.


So if people are uncomfortable with something we should go along with them. Thats based on the idea that people have a right to not be offended. PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO NOT BE OFFENDED. If a woman and man want to have sex with the woman on top they should do that and they shouldn't avoid doing it just because others might be against it and throughout some periods in history such behavior was illegal. We should not let peoples insecurities restrict us from having a normal society.

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i wasn't talking about their intentions, read carefully.

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lines said:

Well this is the folsom street fair and I have not heard of any anal sex happening publically I know for a fact there is lots of masturbation and oral sex happening publically involving both men and women.

Warning adult content, the following is a video of public masturbation at folsom street fair: http://videarn.com/video.php?id=30703

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"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong.

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Oweyervishice said:

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i wasn't talking about their intentions, read carefully.

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Ok? So why does it matter how the rest of society views this?
When I go to a festival where I can indulge in drugs and music freely and somewhat publicly, I'm not really looking to change anyone's mind about the drug war...

I'm pretty sure these people don't expect a bunch of conservatives to walk by and go, "by golly, I think maybe these power-playing gay sex orgies ain't so bad after all!".
SO...what is your point?

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Forget it, your not going to understand, ironically enough.



its cool though, theres no real need for it but i suggest that you just read carefully.

lines said:

And furthermore the vast majority of the country has never even heard of this fair. And so its only impacting peoples opinions in San Francisco... a city that historically has been huge in the gay activism scene(ever seen the movie Milk?)

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i didn't really make a political POV more of a psychological, a what if this were to be looked upon by a certain group that specifically finds anything remotely homosexual repulsive and degenerate.

Read between the 'lines'

Hehe

AlphaFalfa said:

Oweyervishice said:

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i wasn't talking about their intentions, read carefully.

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Ok? So why does it matter how the rest of society views this?
When I go to a festival where I can indulge in drugs and music freely and somewhat publicly, I'm not really looking to change anyone's mind about the drug war...

I'm pretty sure these people don't expect a bunch of conservatives to walk by and go, "by golly, I think maybe these power-playing gay sex orgies ain't so bad after all!".
SO...what is your point?

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Forget it, your not going to understand, ironically enough.



its cool though, theres no real need for it but i suggest that you just read carefully.

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  I'm just too dumb to ever understand. You're right, don't bother explaining your POV.

Oweyervishice said:

AlphaFalfa said:

Oweyervishice said:

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i wasn't talking about their intentions, read carefully.

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Ok? So why does it matter how the rest of society views this?
When I go to a festival where I can indulge in drugs and music freely and somewhat publicly, I'm not really looking to change anyone's mind about the drug war...

I'm pretty sure these people don't expect a bunch of conservatives to walk by and go, "by golly, I think maybe these power-playing gay sex orgies ain't so bad after all!".
SO...what is your point?

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Forget it, your not going to understand, ironically enough.



its cool though, theres no real need for it but i suggest that you just read carefully.

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  I'm just too dumb to ever understand. You're right, don't bother explaining your POV.

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i explained it twice and you ask me to explain it AGAiN?????????

Lines understood it, because he took the time to READ - instead of expecting people to re-iterate the same point, for a third time.

johnm214 said:

Hmm, I have several opinions, but I think the letter to the editor I wrote a few years back to the local rag best expresses it:

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"I'd always thought gays were regular people, just like you and me, and that the stereotype of homosexuals as hedonistic, sex-crazed deviants was just a destructive myth," said mother of four Hannah Jarrett, 41, mortified at the sight of 17 tanned and oiled boys cavorting in jock straps to a throbbing techno beat on a float shaped like an enormous phallus. "Boy, oh, boy, was I wrong.

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http://www.theonion.com/articles/gaypride-parade-sets-mainstream-acceptance-of-gays,351/

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Diploid said:

Why are these guys masturbating in the street but don't get arrested?

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Poid said:

Diploid said:

Why are these guys masturbating in the street but don't get arrested?

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Yeah that's really not fair, if those freaks get to do that, then why can't I?

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