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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
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yes if you define real as imaginary, then I guess they are real huh. Isn't changing the definition of words convenient?


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Namaste

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Liquid_Silver]
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To whom ever............

Ego has never been a study of mine. What I mean to say is that I never really thought about it in the terms I read in here. But I would like to say a few things

Isn't ego the part of the mind that only thinks of what it can get for itself ? Ego never lets the needs of anyone else get involved ? Ego never lets anything go ? Ego always has the goal of " get all you can " ? Ego as far as I see it is the center of self, the foundation of greed, the animal in us. Ego is the beast in us from back before the time of Man found God or God found Man. I understand that Ego has nothing to do with " Love " which for me anyway " Love " is God and God has no Ego. So ego from my point of view is the very obstacle that stands between myself and the truth, God and Love. Ego is the great Vail that blinds us to the truth. The entire goal then is to get away from Ego and move into the truth.

Hum........Me thinks I need to talk about this more


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Depends on how you define real (reel :wink:) now doesn't it.


if there is physical lizard man in front of you, reflecting light into your eyes, then that is real, if it came from your imagination, then it is not real


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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S&M

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Ego is simply the illusory sense of self that a mind holds. It is not the self, the self is the self. An ego is an aspect of the mind that holds an idea as to who the self is, what the mind identifies with as itself. Its an illusion because the self itself (:lol:) exists on its own, without need of an identification of itself. The Self is the totality of who you are, and it is constantly changing, as we are constantly interacting with our environment. Any preconception that the aspect of the mind known as the ego holds of who and what the self is and what pertains to it is, in fact, limiting The Self and what form it can take.

I wouldn't necessarily say that having an ego, a sense of self, is an undesireable thing. The real question is what form that sense of self takes and the manner in which we treat that sense of self. For instance, do we hold for ourselves set images of who we are, what we do, what situations we do and do not like, etc., and defend them? Are we addicted to the sense of who we are? Does our sense of self obstruct our actual experience of The Self? Are we open to reality and do we directly perceive it, or do we get caught up in thought processes of the ego that limit our awareness and prevent us from being ourselves? :laugh:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: fireworks_god]
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and from where are you speaking all this? experience? books? talks?


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: fireworks_god]
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Oh so an Ego is liken to the wrapping paper on a X-mas gift ? What you are really, is hidden under the wrapping. What you represent to others and yourself is not always really you. What is really you tends to be hidden away waiting for the great unveiling, unwrapping the exposure to you. You is not you. You is You wrapped up in the paper of what you have learned by living, interacting to your environment. You really is simple and the "you" you know is a result of a complex system of teachings from outside you. In order to see the real gift one must be willing to rip the paper off self.............. Scary

I think that is exaclty what I said in my first post. Ego is the wall between ourselfves and God, love and the real purpose of what we are doing here in this world. The path past Ego is what makes Humans special and different from the beasts. We have the ability to see past our noses and move into th eunseen. To grab onto Faith, Love and what is really important. Not making childeren, Eating, having Ego battles with our fellow man. But to get past our selves and into others........... TO love is to leave Ego behind :heart:


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Fucknuckle]
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that is ego as in pride..

it's not the ego that we are talking about


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Ok so what is the difference ? What are we speaking of then ? Is not pride connected to all that we have ever learned ? You mean pride in the sense of " I am great at this or that "

Fill me in on what your saying don't leave me hanging......


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Ego is the part of mind that percieves itself as a living being. For example, a computer does calculations, but it does not know of its own existence because it has no consciousness.
When you are in a coma, your mind still is alive, there is activity, but your ego is dead, and you do not experience anything. Ego is this point of view, perspectvie from wich things take place, the conscious mind.

when you are unconscious, like in deep dreamless sleep, your ego is gone, but your mind still works.
when you die, both go away. but to you the loss of ego and death are one and the same thing because you experience them both the same way: you don't


Ego as in pride is a strong sense of selfimportance and an attachment to a certain figure that you percieve yourself to be.
For example, being a pilot, and thinking of yourself as a great pilot doing everyday stuff is this ego (the alternate use of the word)
This ego dissapears in situations where you are passive, for example sitting in a park listening to birds and enjoying peace. In those moments your pride is gone, and you do not percieve yourself as being one of those human roles: a great card player, or the best butcher or whatever, you are striped away from your uniform, you have no pride and you don't matter to yourself anymore.

this two meanings have nothing to do with one another.


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

Edited by OldWoodSpecter (08/13/05 10:10 AM)

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Sounds like I wouldn't want to live without either one.

The first example of Ego and living without it sounds like being very dead.

The second ego is the one I need to make me feel better when I have completely failed or missed the boat.

Not that needing my petty ego is what's best but it is my very best friend and knows me the best........... outside God that is.


But I do understand what you said. Thanks. Ego is the shell from which I live in this plane of existence. It is the walls from which I was born in to. Ego as you explained it is being a human living in a human world and realizing your human living in a human world. Without it I would be a bag of pond scum

This way of looking at Ego seems like a waste of time.......... er maybe that is not what I mean

So the entire point is what then ? I mean, if one is deal with this type of Ego. What or where or why ? would you want to detach yourself from this ? What would be the end result ? Finding our true purpose or true self ?................ Love and God ?

See I still don't see the great question or the answer in pursuing this type of " Ego "

The only conclusion I can see is to find the true purpose to living breathing humans

Hum...........


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What it is, is what it is my Brother.
It is as it is, so suffer thru it.

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Fucknuckle]
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let's say you have some animal instincts and body experiences some learned reflexes and memory all feeding into your consciousness at the same time.

where is the ego in that?

let's say you have connections with other people and they have them with you, like chapters in your book of life, you can look them up and savour or take note of what has previously gone down.

let's say someone dies and their book is removed from the shelf never to be returned, but their pages in our books are still there - it pulls on our (book) spines we are torn by grief but do not give up on our memories.

where is the ego in that?

mostly what people call ego is the piggish part of our animal instinctive behaviour, and ego loss on drugs weakens reflexive behaviour and instinct. it is temporary, unless it is dulling or in some rare cases some insight is gained and people work to rise above habit and instinct to be better humans.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Fucknuckle said:
Sounds like I wouldn't want to live without either one.

The first example of Ego and living without it sounds like being very dead.

The second ego is the one I need to make me feel better when I have completely failed or missed the boat.

Not that needing my petty ego is what's best but it is my very best friend and knows me the best........... outside God that is.


But I do understand what you said. Thanks. Ego is the shell from which I live in this plane of existence. It is the walls from which I was born in to. Ego as you explained it is being a human living in a human world and realizing your human living in a human world. Without it I would be a bag of pond scum

This way of looking at Ego seems like a waste of time.......... er maybe that is not what I mean

So the entire point is what then ? I mean, if one is deal with this type of Ego. What or where or why ? would you want to detach yourself from this ? What would be the end result ? Finding our true purpose or true self ?................ Love and God ?

See I still don't see the great question or the answer in pursuing this type of " Ego "

The only conclusion I can see is to find the true purpose to living breathing humans

Hum...........


the second definition of ego, is that shell you are talking about, a mask that you wear in society.

but the first one is the being itself that is INSIDE the shell, it is what we consider to be a human being, a person.
Mind without the ego is a plant, alive and reacting, but more like a biological cell than like a consciosuness.

Mind that this is my own interpretation of what ego is, like most things from most people on this forum, I made it up accoarding to my internal logic.


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I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said:
let's say you have some animal instincts and body experiences some learned reflexes and memory all feeding into your consciousness at the same time.

where is the ego in that?

let's say you have connections with other people and they have them with you, like chapters in your book of life, you can look them up and savour or take note of what has previously gone down.

let's say someone dies and their book is removed from the shelf never to be returned, but their pages in our books are still there - it pulls on our (book) spines we are torn by grief but do not give up on our memories.

where is the ego in that?

mostly what people call ego is the piggish part of our animal instinctive behaviour, and ego loss on drugs weakens reflexive behaviour and instinct. it is temporary, unless it is dulling or in some rare cases some insight is gained and people work to rise above habit and instinct to be better humans.


If this is what people mean when they say they lost their ego, then I don't think it is impossible at all.

I just think that it is impossible to lose the real sense of self and experience (consciosness) and say it was a great experience because the loss of real Ego (not ego as in a part of personality, but ego as in the conscious mind itself) would be nothing more or less than falling unconscious, and that is not something you can experience because you are not there


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I descend upon your earth from the skies
I command your very souls you unbelievers
Bring before me what is mine

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
If you are discussing the Buddhist concept of nirvana, then to be detached from the ego is to not cling to the wants of the self, but use this detachment to acheive clarity of mind. One does not lose the ego, but one does transcend it. This is acheived by knowing the self.


After egodeath I still had my ego about as much as before sometimes (but got a bit more of a hippy)
the difference is that I now know when it is trying to take over
and can correct it before/right after it takes over.

With time it might be possible to always know before letting it take over, sometimes I can, but not always.

I always know when it takes over now, every single time.
Realize it right after.

An awareness of your ego you could call it.
It is like a separate me, that tries to do what I don't want.


By thinking positive and seeing that we are all the same and realizing I have everything in common with everybody, and seeing the good in people I can keep it down somewhat.

bwt. it is very hard to write anything without the ego taking over :smile: much easier to talk without it taking over for some reason

The reason I don't want the ego to take control again is that I can't see the truth then, I like feeling one with everybody I meet and seeing nature this way - like a miracle. (yup very hard to write this without sounding egoistical to others:P)

    before LSD egodeath:

    60lbs overweight suddenly,only enjoyment in life was spending fridays,sat,sundags doing homework and working 16 hours a day

    only enjoyment in life was overeating,overconsuming and buying stuff

    after LSD egodeath:

    love every part of myself, every part of the world, my plants, my birds (pets), my family,friends,nephew , nature

    feel free,happy each day for the first time in 15 years.

    started singing,dancing,playing guitar,drawing

    got a new job that I enjoy more than the old one where I got paid 3 times as much


but I realized that I am no better than anyone else
actually I realize no matter what experience I have had, somebody has had it before me, and will in the future too
we are all the same, but couldn't see it before egodeath
now I see it everyday, with every person I meet

Peace

Edited by lessismore (03/04/13 05:24 AM)

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: lessismore]
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I'm sorry your ego died. When is the funeral? :sad:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
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Would rather throw a party than a funeral :smile:

But it was about a year ago, think I died 2-3 times in one acidtrip.

It is very personal to me, so I only shared as I thought it was relevant

Egodeath is pretty common with psychedelics, but took me around 150 trips to get to it (and didn't even believe it at first, people around me noticed it more than I did, was a different person)

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: lessismore]
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You were probably maturing.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: liquidlounge]
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I am not sure if it was the acidtrip or the shroom trip

I had one of both where I just wen't out, and felt love for everything

since that day the love feeling has stayed, for everything
and I can see myself/own experiences in everybody I meet, and somehow know then before I meet them or so it feels.

and am a new person
(but I guess psychedelics make you a new person each time)

but that time changed every part of me.

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: lessismore]
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They can alter your mind so you gain insight for sure.

I think you were taking these drugs whilst in a momentum in your life and thus it made such an impact?


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