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OfflineLiquid_Silver
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Ego bondage
    #4526060 - 08/12/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Can any one explain this well? I have read some on this issue, as I believe I went through this, once upon a time when I was younger. A friend of mine <Thremix> believes he has experienced the separation of his ego with the certain help of an Amazing cactus. What dose Ego bondage mean to you?

*A few things I have seen with my friend*
*he seems more and more to slip away from his ego separation. He says to me that "it's like I forget even though I don't want to". It seems to me it could have just been the effect of the drug, and nothing more? He says to me (and it makes sense) "it could be the effect of the drug but the memory is all you need," I wonder if there is more to this? What do you guys think?


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Liquid_Silver]
    #4526077 - 08/12/05 12:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

umm, i think it has somewhat to do with that.. the ego is very confusing because we just dont know what it is or does or how it works. I myself can go into a very similar state (of what u describe) whilst meditating, and when i do drugs it can be overwhelming, but i like it.

I dont know exactly what you referr to ego bondage, do you mean the concept of keeping an ego even though you dont want to?

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e?go Audio pronunciation of "ego" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g, g)
n. pl. e?gos

1. The self, especially as distinct from the world and other selves.
2. In psychoanalysis, the division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality.
3.
1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance; conceit.
2. Appropriate pride in oneself; self-esteem.





thats what it means to me, the ego (ego loss/ego bondage concept) is the consciousness, i think we dont lose it on drugs or meditation.. but it is merely altered or (again, perception is changed more than anything) it is.. somehow moved away from the body, if you know what astral projection is you will know what i am speaking of


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Liquid_Silver]
    #4526107 - 08/12/05 01:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

>I think, Not! :P


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: SerioOria]
    #4527816 - 08/12/05 09:21 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Um, in a literal sense I am bound by my ego, because I tend to put myself down and be worried when I tell myself to stop worrying, and other things like that. So, that's my ego binding my potential and oppressing me.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Liquid_Silver]
    #4527864 - 08/12/05 09:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Liquid_Silver said:
Can any one explain this well? I have read some on this issue, as I believe I went through this, once upon a time when I was younger. A friend of mine <Thremix> believes he has experienced the separation of his ego with the certain help of an Amazing cactus. What dose Ego bondage mean to you?

*A few things I have seen with my friend*
*he seems more and more to slip away from his ego separation. He says to me that "it's like I forget even though I don't want to". It seems to me it could have just been the effect of the drug, and nothing more? He says to me (and it makes sense) "it could be the effect of the drug but the memory is all you need," I wonder if there is more to this? What do you guys think?




So an ego comes to a forum and asks how to get detached from his ego. Perhapse shooting yourself in the head would do it.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4527887 - 08/12/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

So an ego comes to a forum and asks how to get detached from his ego. Perhapse shooting yourself in the head would do it.
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:lol: Detaching yourself from your ego would leave one unable to navigate this material experience. Better to have a healthy ego that doesn't try to control all experience or insist it is the whole self.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
    #4527902 - 08/12/05 09:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

you said, detaching the ego from your self..

:lol:

aren't ego and self the same thing?
If you tried to detach ego from self, you would get two pieces of ego


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4527926 - 08/12/05 10:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
you said, detaching the ego from your self..

:lol:

aren't ego and self the same thing?
If you tried to detach ego from self, you would get two pieces of ego




I was responding to your statement of the previous post. The ego is  one aspect of the self not the whole self IMO. I stated that detaching the ego would in effect be the death of the self.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
    #4527937 - 08/12/05 10:07 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

if you count subconsciousness and other parts of the mind as "self", then no, ego is not all of it, but subconscious mind is not even aware that it is alive, much less that it is a mind, it is an automated system


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4527948 - 08/12/05 10:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I'm curious how you know that the sub conscious isn't aware it is alive.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
    #4527974 - 08/12/05 10:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

you mean there is another guy inside my head that is as aware as me as I am of him?


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4527979 - 08/12/05 10:26 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: Who knows with you.

Just another aspect of self. There may be more. You are most likely not very aware of your sub conscious. But maybe it knows your conscious mind very well. :shocked:


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
    #4527988 - 08/12/05 10:31 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

or maybe it is like a reflection of me, or a shadow of me, and not a mind of its own.

Or perhapse I am mearly an image projected onto the screen, and the film being projected is my subconsciosuness


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4528163 - 08/12/05 11:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
you mean there is another guy inside my head that is as aware as me as I am of him?




basically, if youve ever smoked salvia, you might have experienced him, he isn't that smart, he knows alot but he doesn't do much thinking other than what your body is physically doing at the moment :frown:


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4528274 - 08/13/05 12:39 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
aren't ego and self the same thing?




Nope, they are not.

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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Liquid_Silver] * 1
    #4528372 - 08/13/05 01:23 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

If you are discussing the Buddhist concept of nirvana, then to be detached from the ego is to not cling to the wants of the self, but use this detachment to acheive clarity of mind. One does not lose the ego, but one does transcend it. This is acheived by knowing the self.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: SerioOria]
    #4529292 - 08/13/05 07:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

SerioOria said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
you mean there is another guy inside my head that is as aware as me as I am of him?




basically, if youve ever smoked salvia, you might have experienced him, he isn't that smart, he knows alot but he doesn't do much thinking other than what your body is physically doing at the moment :frown:




you can also meet lizard people and guant squids, but it doesn't mean they exist


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4529568 - 08/13/05 10:11 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

SerioOria said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
you mean there is another guy inside my head that is as aware as me as I am of him?




basically, if youve ever smoked salvia, you might have experienced him, he isn't that smart, he knows alot but he doesn't do much thinking other than what your body is physically doing at the moment :frown:




you can also meet lizard people and guant squids, but it doesn't mean they exist




Doesn't mean they don't either. :grin:


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: Icelander]
    #4529589 - 08/13/05 10:23 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

it doesn't, but there is a high probability that they don't, because you ARE taking hallucinogenic drugs at the moment, it would be highly unlikely that in between all these hallucinations there is a real lizard man.


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Re: Ego bondage [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4529598 - 08/13/05 10:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on how you define real (reel :wink:) now doesn't it.


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