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The Philosphers Stone
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Is this the same as the corner-stone? The foundation or ground upon which to build a true philosophy regarding reality and truth?

And what is the philosophers stone? (i'm not talking about sclerotia here ok)

Is it a wisdom or a knowledge?

And what has it to do with the elixir of immortality?

Anyways, enough questions. I have my own ideas about what these  things are. What about you?

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Ahimsa]
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Ahimsa said:
(i'm not talking about sclerotia here ok)



ok


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: MushroomTrip] * 1
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it is the great work of the ages.


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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Ahimsa]
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It's a bad joke, just like religious belief.:monkeydance:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Ahimsa]
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If you are to believe Robert Allen Bartlett, in his book The Way of the Crucible, you would have to grasp a wider context of Alchemy. There is Plant, Mineral and Metallic Alchemy at the very least, and whereas Spagyrics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spagyric speaks to the making of Decoctions, Tinctures, Elixirs and Stones (including Elixirs of Life), Metallic Alchemy speaks to the Stone of Projection, the Red Powder, the literal substance that when added to metallic Mercury, can allegedly transmute Mercury into metallic Gold.

There is Psychological Alchemy, and on a higher 'octave,' Spiritual Alchemy, both of which constitute Human Alchemy in the transmutation of the Psyche and Pneuma of the tripartite human being. Mineral Alchemy, some of which can be found in the practices of Ayurvedic medicine in India, which uses precious stones and specially detoxified metals for health and longevity purposes.

So, to try and answer you question, I would have to say that one would have to specify to which level of reality you are referring. I have begun the practice of Spagyric Alchemy after a couple of decades of Psychological and Spiritual Alchemy which I developed through years of  Jungian analysis. I am now doing laboratory work. I hope to complete a series of Elixirs that correspond both to the 7 main astrological planets, as well as to the 7 chakras. I will then consider Mineral Alchemy, say, Oil of Rose Quartz.

But, you see, a 'puffer' is not an Alchemist. Puffers are the unredeemed, secular, 'base' human beings, living exclusively in the lower chakra fields, and as such, are identified with the physical body primarily, along with its desires. Such people want to make Gold metal to sate their base desires; exceeding survival needs to greed, exceeding sexual partnership for unbridled lust, exceeding a modest income for financial power. According to the principles involved with Alchemy, transmutations in the metallic domain are only going to happen when one's inner life is in correspondence  to the the outer life. Thus, the 1st chakra is Lead, the 2nd chakra is Tin, the 3rd chakra is Iron: Saturn>Jupiter>Mars. The higher centers sometimes have slightly different orders, but Venus, Mercury, Moon and Sun correspond to Copper, Mercury, Silver and Gold respectively.

"The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner."  -Psalm 118:22

This Psalm is quoted in Acts 4:11 to refer to Christ as 'the stone.' Similarly, in Tibetan Buddhism is the Diamond Body - the Jewel in the Lotus of the Heart - the immutable, eternal Reality. So in Spiritual Alchemy, the Stone is figurative, as in Hermetic philosophy wherein the Stone is a Conjunction of opposite principles: Fire and Water, symbolized by the interlacing triangles into a Hexagram. Or again, Earth, Water, Fire, Air and Aether into the Quintessential 5th Element, symbolized by the Pentagram.

The "One Thing" of The Emerald Tablet manifests on different levels of manifestation, which is why Alchemy utilizes (in the West) the Qabalistic Tree of Life as a map, in combination with astrological, mineral, metallic and plant correspondences. It is all based on Synchronicity (or, sympathetic magick if you prefer), rather than cause-effect linearity, and thus Alchemy is decidedly not a primitive or precursive to chemistry, although chemical procedures are utilized.

Contemporary rendering of Latin text of THE EMERALD TABLET

[It is] true, without error, certain and most true,
That which is below is as that which is above, and that which is above is as that which is below, to perform the miracles of the one thing.
And as all things were from the one, by means of the meditation of the one, thus all things were born from the one, by means of adaptation.
Its father is the Sun, its mother is the Moon, the Wind carried it in its belly, its nurse is the earth.
The father of the whole world [or "of all of the initiates"?] is here.
Its power is whole if it has been turned into earth.
You will separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the dense, sweetly, with great skill.
It ascends from earth into heaven and again it descends to the earth, and receives the power of higher and of lower things.
Thus you will have the Glory of the whole world.
Therefore will all obscurity flee from you.
Of all strength this is true strength, because it will conquer all that is subtle, and penetrate all that is solid.
Thus was the world created.
From this were wonderful adaptations, of which this is the means. Therefore am I named Thrice-Great Hermes, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world.
It is finished, what I have said about the working[s] of the Sun.

Much elaboration would be needed to tease the Tabula Smaragdina (Emerald Tablet) apart.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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thats what i was saying.


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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Ohhhhhhh...Well then, I suppose I wasted my time writing that post.

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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that implies a supply/quantity of time you are possessing :blush:


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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Bridgeburner]
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This mustmean it a 3 sided pyramid, x, y, z.

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: JustinTime]
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I wonder if the egyptian know they build thier pyramid wrong, or if it is actually symbolic of something else. maybe its supposed to be w, x, y ,z.

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Bridgeburner]
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b0red5tiff said:
that implies a supply/quantity of time you are possessing :blush:


I cannot possess time. My temporal self exists in time. My atemporal Self exists outside of time. It's a mystery how the two of me is related. Methinks the first is derivative of the second.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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I love harry potter too

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Ahimsa]
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I think the philosophers stone is the realization of truth within one's innermost consciousness. I.e. the transformation of mind from the occupation with ignorance to the understanding of truth. That change, at the end of the search, renders the insight required to be forever (at least during this life) free from speculative thought.

The elixir of life is the freedom that is the basic nature of our being. Upon realization of truth, the utter freedom of our being becomes apparent as the real mode of being, as reality, as essence infinite.

I haven't read or understood any of the works of others. I speak rom my experience only.

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Buckthorn]
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Enpo said:
I love harry potter too


http://www.harrypotterforseekers.com/alchemy/alchemy.php?PHPSESSID=9dddd184c5f5f3e40a47c2890006e287


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: The Philosphers Stone [Re: Ahimsa]
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As always, there is never a single answer or explanation of the questions and mysteries within the fields of alchemy.

On the mystical stone of the alchemists, I would believe & hope most of us to have an intuitive understanding. This refers to a state of being, the congealment or ossification of efforts and life experience, whereby the practitioner is made to function from a deep objectivity and with great development of wisdom which manifests itself as ability to apply knowledge to a great array of useful life skills. Imagine the idealized archetype of a judge & combine this with great adeptship in survival, and important trades on this planet, as well as the impressive grasp on symbolism and visionary navigation of a monk. The stone is the place from where these qualities issue, it also refers to the therapeutic (physical, mental & transcendental) ability of such a person to assist others in overcoming their personal base & destructive tendencies through projection of the essence of the stone, aka wisdom.

& in addition to the statements made concerning the physical stone, I will add the stones of Alkahests, as from amber or balsam, which seperate physical salt, and sulfur from their respective mercurial ore matrix or other tissue of suspension.

& another note on the so called plant stones, or mineral; these complex medicinal preparations are profoundly potent, with medical applications comparable to modern pharmaceutical 'silver bullets' such as chemotherapeutic drugs, steroids or antibiotics. Unfortunately, European alchemists, & progeny, have lost and bastardized their (our) traditional clinical 'research' concerning such matters, & were never allowed the legal/social acceptance to practice with these substances in any public form anyhow.

In some sense, the philosophers stone simply represents the conditions and precursors that allow perfection, (or in reality, improvement) of any given state of being or matter.

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