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compost tea people
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i cant find powder nutrients specifically designed for growing in soil. does anybody know of any?
and if not can i just use compost tea for my soil grown plants for there whole lives?
and with compost tea how do you know when you have too little or to much nutrients?. from what i have read you can add just about anything to compost tea.
all i have is worm compost, agave nectar, honey, agar, super thrive,spent coffee and i can get blood meal
what do i NEED to add to this?
i also have frozen bait fish and bird head and stomach my cat left for me this morning, i figure this wold have some useful nutes? :rofl2:cold i use these?

fish oil?,kelp?
most recipes i saw called for chemical nutes added, dosnt that defeat the purpose?

i was thinking
2.5 gallons water
5 cups mushroom/worm compost
1 womens multi vitamin
4 tbs agave/honey/agar mix
3 2 inch frozen fish
add 2 cc's superthrive when done*
does this sound horribly wrong. like this will kill my plants wrong?

Edited by bw86 (05/04/10 08:07 PM)

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Re: compost tea people [Re: bw86]
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Try Espoma ferts. Feeding them tea their whole lives can become very laborious, but worthwhile if you want to keep it organic. If staying organic, I would recommend mixing it in the soil, so you don't have to feed them frequently. Don't add too much powdered fertilizer to the soil, though. This may attract baddies, such as fungus gnats, soil mites, fungus, nematodes, harmful bacteria etc. Finally, with organic fertilizer mixed in, your soil requires much better drainage/aeration. With more food comes more soil organisms, which consume oxygen and will do so much faster with plenty of nutrients to metabolize.


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Re: compost tea people [Re: impeachme2]
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Read up on "aerobic compost tea" ... The basic idea of compost tea is that you are creating an environment where the aerobic (oxygen-loving, GOOD bacteria) would like to live by aerating the tank as you would a fish tank, with those bubbler stone things....

The way I make mine is I do that, and then I take two socks, stuff a BUNCH of my home-made worm castings in each one, tie a knot in the top, and hang it over the side of the bucket, just like a giant tea-bag of sorts.

The only thing I put in there is worm castings.... But I've heard you can take a handful of soil from the garden and put that in another sock and throw that in there too...

As impeachme2 said, you want to think organic, organic, organic when making compost tea....

Harsh nutrients will kill these beneficial bacteria that you sort of "brew" up in this process, making it kind of pointless to do in the first place...

So yeah, aerate the shit out of it, around 4 bubblers or more is what I read... I have 4 going in mine and I'm about to add another 2... You can get an aerator that has 4 ports though so you can connect 4 at a time to it... Mine each do 2 though.

EDIT: I almost forgot... During this process you have to feed these beneficial, aerobic bacteria by giving them some sort of very basic sugar... I use specifically Black Strap Molasses because I've read that is best to use on one of the more popular "how to make worm tea or compost tea" sites.... If you google that you'll get a ton of results...

I do all of this in a Home Depot bucket, in case I didn't mention that before, since I'm really high right now. :grin:

:happyweed:


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Edited by themallacht (05/04/10 07:59 PM)

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Re: compost tea people [Re: theMallacht]
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You can never have too much air! Many people add organic fertilizer to their teas. Many Espoma fertilizers contain propagules (spores) of beneficial bacteria. I've made great tea adding 3 Tbs per 5 gallons bubbled for a day or two.


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Re: compost tea people [Re: impeachme2]
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k i have only spent like an hour reading about compost teas
this is from the growery VVV
" Here is a basic tea recipe:
Vegetative mix-
1/3 cup Peruvian Seabird Guano (PSG)
1/3 cup High N Bat Guano (Mexican)
1/3 cup Earth Worm Castings (EWC)
5 TBS. Maxi-crop 1-0-4 powdered kelp extract
5 TBS. Liquid Karma (optional)
5 TBS. Black Strap Molasses
@ 1-cup mix/5 gallons of water every 3rd watering.
Dilute as needed. Generally, 2 to 3 cups per 5 gallons of water @ every watering."
there is also seedling and Flowering teas...

i have many fish blubbers
you guys think my mix is a :facepalm: idea?
i dont know if ill give them tea there entire lives but i have no money for organics ferts and cant even find any in dry powder form designed for soil use(or a all).
also i have read about using honey and agave nectar people say both are fine/ just as good a molasses/ or better...
my oldest plants are a month old and i have not given them any nutes yet.
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/399339
so you feed your plants worm castings tea and thats it? they never have any deficiencies?
i just remembered i had some bird seed soaking would the water after all of those endospores germinate be beneficial? would adding a quart or two of that water to mix help?

Edited by bw86 (05/04/10 08:34 PM)

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Re: compost tea people [Re: bw86]
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I don't think it's a :facepalm: idea, but I DO think you should keep it simple, at least at first...


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Re: compost tea people [Re: theMallacht]
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An good read...Compost tea   2


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Re: compost tea people [Re: theMallacht]
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You're on the right track but for your first few brews I would agree with themallacht and try and keep them simple, only use a few ingredients to get an idea of how it works. Often if you over think things they fail.


I made a compost thread the other day and Brainiac posted some good easy tea recipes, you should give it a read if you haven't already>> link



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i also have frozen bait fish and bird head and stomach my cat left for me this morning, i figure this wold have some useful nutes? :rofl2:cold i use these?




You certainly can use these. You would want to soak them in a pool of water so that they will rot down into a soupy goo, these are sometimes called roadkill pits. During this time you need to stir it up once or twice a week to keep it aerated and it will stink like the bowels of hell so it is advisable to use a lid to keep the smell down or just do this away from the house. If you have neighbours they will hate you and might even think you have dead bodies hidden under the front porch.


Anyway after a few months of brewing your carrion, it is time to use it. You want to dilute it to a ratio of about 10 parts water to one part animal tea. Then you can water it into the soil or use as a foliar fertilizer. One thing with this kind of tea is it can smell and is fairly rich so it only needs to be used a few times a year as opposed to seaweed/fish emulsions that can be applied fortnightly.


Google "Dead animal composting" for some more ideas.  :beatadeadhorse:

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Re: compost tea people [Re: karode13]
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I recently read that if one is using dead animals or animal shit, that it should ONLY be used on NON-EDIBLE plants, because it can actually transmit bad bacteria into your food crops...


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Re: compost tea people [Re: theMallacht]
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It can be bad if not composted properly and bad bacteria is still present, same goes with animals feces. It can also pollute waterways and water tables if not contained whilst being degraded. Like I said above it is best used infrequently but it is ok to use.

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Re: compost tea people [Re: theMallacht]
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I will be the third to recommend starting with a basic recipe.  I just measure out things by eye personally.  I don't know what you mean by powder ferts or what you are growing, though I have an assumption.  I usually add some fish emulsion, kelp, and a simple sugar substance and get good foaming.  The bigger your bubbler the better and even then stirring helps a lot.  You can also determine the balance between fungal dominant and bacterial dominant compost tea.  I'm assuming since you have worm compost it will likely be more bacterial dominant compost which will also result in bacterial dominant compost tea.  I might add more to this post later when I get my book about compost tea back from my friend but I found a website that talks about what ingredients you can add to change the microbial balance of your tea:

http://www.allthingsorganic.com/How_To/09.asp

From what I've read the basic idea is that a lot of woody or perennial types of plants prefer a fungal dominant soil while more herbaceous, annual types of plants typically prefer bacterial dominant soils.


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Re: compost tea people [Re: theMallacht]
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themallacht said:
I recently read that if one is using dead animals or animal shit, that it should ONLY be used on NON-EDIBLE plants, because it can actually transmit bad bacteria into your food crops...



havent people used dead fish as ferts in soil for vegetables for thousands of years

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Re: compost tea people [Re: bw86]
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llama poo and utrica dioca tea work well for plants.. heh and adding a ton of water to your compost and using that water once in a while

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Re: compost tea people [Re: bw86]
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bw86 said:
themallacht said:
I recently read that if one is using dead animals or animal shit, that it should ONLY be used on NON-EDIBLE plants, because it can actually transmit bad bacteria into your food crops...



havent people used dead fish as ferts in soil for vegetables for thousands of years



Yes, fish is an awesome fertilizer.
I reccomend you get alaskan fish emulsion fertilizer, and happy frog fertilizers. Happy frog ferts are the best pre-mixed ferts out there, they contain lots of mycorrhizae and beneficial micro-organisms. They are also organic, and come in lots of different N-P-K ratings for all of your various applications.
Good luck!

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Re: compost tea people [Re: nitelife]
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Yes, fish would be fine.... I was making that point because karode mentioned to look up "dead animal composting" and posted the little picture of a donkey....

Fish should be fine, of course... I was mostly talking about other animals... I read that there can be far too much bad bacteria and that it sort of "wins" against the good bacteria...


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Re: compost tea people [Re: nitelife]
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so i wet ahead and mixed
2.5 gallons water
5 cups mushroom/worm compost
1 womens multi vitamin
4 tbs agave/honey/agar mix
3 2 inch frozen fish
add 2 cc's superthrive when done*
i was wondering how do you know when your tea is usable ?
i mean how do i know how much to cut it? will changing the ph kill beneficial microbes? since i have a small amount of fish in there is bad that they havent fully decomposed?
im not in a rush to use this stuff but when can i use it? i made it 2 days ago and it foaming and bubbling petty well.
and since its a majority of worm compost wouldn't that mean i can use it now and it will just get better from the other additives?
thanks again :thumbup:

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Re: compost tea people [Re: bw86]
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you added a womens multivitamin to your plants fertilizer?  :shrug2:


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Re: compost tea people [Re: danielx]
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Wonders if he even read the two links I provide....


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Re: compost tea people [Re: Brainiac]
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danielx said:
you added a womens multivitamin to your plants fertilizer?  :shrug2:



yeap, i dont see how it can hurt. can you tell me why i would be bad?and also if i had ha up thre for 2 days howcome no one else sad it was a bad idea?
Brainiac said:
Wonders if he even read the two links I provide....



yes i did...and i have read other pages and i have read alot of conflicting info. and i still ave the same questions

Edited by bw86 (05/06/10 05:54 PM)

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Re: compost tea people [Re: bw86]
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At least a few of us have suggested you start with a simple recipe first, which implies no multivitamin.  You can add things as you do more batches but first you should start with non-experimental compost tea.  Besides the superthrive and multivitamins sort of miss the point of compost tea.  Sure compost tea fertilizes plants and soil, but a huge component of the tea is just basically culturing the beneficial fungi/bacteria from good compost and spreading it out so they will break down and make available a lot of nutrients that were previously unavailable to plants.  All you really need is compost and some simple sugars, which is the basic recipe.


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