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How the fuck do you stay sane?
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Everyone around you is wasting their lives. Toiling away at something that really fucking means nothing. When you think about it, all your hard work, everything you've done during your life...how many people does it really directly effect?

Why are we expected to fall into a system that works for nobody? Everyone is fucking miserable, and yet everyone does it. Its such a waste, such a horrible denial of life. Everyone works until they are old and able to retire - at which point none of your fucking success means shit. You're too old to enjoy all the shit you've worked for.

I feel like when I am old, and look back on my life, I'm going to be really pissed. I don't want to slave my life away just to make those around me happy. I want to live. I want to be happy. I want to be me, and not have to fucking waste my time with their bullshit.

I just don't get it. I've always been like this. Its not the drugs that made me feel like this, I've always felt like its all just a huge waste and everything people believe is wrong. How can I convince myself otherwise? How can I go about life working and living and raising a family and be happy like the average person? I don't want that. Not at all. I want friends, fun, sun.

How do you fucking remain sane and waste your life away working? I can't do it. I just don't get it.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
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Find something you love and do it. If not full time, at least as a hobby. This could include getting out of society, btw.

Then accept the way things are while trying to make them better (if that's your bag). Being pissed off about life is kind of denial - you need to realize that it is the way it is and it won't change overnight. It's irrational to be mad, thinking "why is the world the way it is?" because there's nothing you can do about how culture and the world has evolved. Use that anger as a catalyst for change, but nothing more.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: fazdazzle]
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fazdazzle said:
Find something you love and do it. If not full time, at least as a hobby. This could include getting out of society, btw.

Then accept the way things are while trying to make them better (if that's your bag). Being pissed off about life is kind of denial - you need to realize that it is the way it is and it won't change overnight. It's irrational to be mad, thinking "why is the world the way it is?" because there's nothing you can do about how culture and the world has evolved. Use that anger as a catalyst for change, but nothing more.


that seems, to me, to be an extremely inspired answer. it's a far superior wording to anything i have to say on the topic.

to the OP: i have felt exactly as you seem to - life is just about making of it what you will. if people don't see that, you can either attempt to show them this or let them be, they're most likely satisfied anyway.

:peace:


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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: haymaker]
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you're probably very young.

you are looking at this situation from the wrong perspective.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Richard Proenneke was a man who did not like the rat race, so at the age of 51 he hand built a cabin in the Alaskan back country and lived there for the next 30 years. He lived off the land completely by his own efforts...no bullshit society to deal with at all...just him and the wilderness. His book and the movie based on it are very enlightening. You could choose such a path, but it is not easy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Proenneke


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: appleorange]
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That very thought constantly enters my mind. What's the point?

I'll probably end up becoming a super spiritualist, yoga practicing happy man. Meditation and spirituality and all of that stuff could provide a better and more acceptable existence, but it's basically just conditioning yourself to accept this life. I COULD BE out robbing banks, getting in car chases, sniping people from the top of a building.. (Too much grand theft auto back in the day) I'd make life a never ending adrenaline rush.

Are 80 years of the same repetitive bullshit equivalent to 5 years of constant change and fun? WTF is time? I want to go on a life risking adventure, not be enslaved by rich men.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Buckthorn] * 2
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You're overrating life.


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My shield...
My armour...

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:
You're overrating life.


+1

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: circastes]
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I used to feel the same as the OP, but as i've matured i've realized that there is a middle course.

I work so i can do the things i want. The things i want to do are not; owning a house, having a child and working 9-5.

I want to see the world + i understand that in order to do so, i must work and save. This is what i will do forever, unless "what i want" changes, in which case i'll go with the flow.

I am going to pay off my debt and walk the Pacific crest trail.

Do not worry about what others are doing. Only worry about yourself.


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GO OUTSIDE.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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Every free moment, I leave the city and go to nature. Long walks through a forest or a field of grasses, canoeing down a river, anything that gets me out of the city.

PDU, I'm planning to through hike the PCT after I get my Bachelor's degree, so, if everything goes as planned, in three years.


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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: PDU]
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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Mnboardin]
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Mnboardin said:
PDU, I'm planning to through hike the PCT after I get my Bachelor's degree, so, if everything goes as planned, in three years.


wicked, seize the day right?


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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 2
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A bunch of things come to mind when I read your post. I don't think you're too far off base, just a little excited.

Not everybody is miserable.

Not everybody does work that doesn't fulfill them. I think most people do though, and they stay sane by distracting themselves with food and drugs and television. This is normal, and it is vital to the US economy for most people to settle for that kind of existence. Once people have kids, they can more easily let go of their own dreams, and find purpose in giving their child the fulfilling life they were never able to give themselves.

Others look for meaning elsewhere. Some pick a religion and run with it. Others pursue whatever makes them feel meaningful and fulfilled, like art, writing, travel, science, sport, whatever. For others it means studying yoga, self-improvement, meditation or other ways to bring ease to life. They are all looking for happiness in different ways. Happiness is a set of skills, you can get better at it.

I stay sane by working towards what I want, and by staying in the moment. I fell into the 9-5 trap too and I want more than it can give me. I want to win my freedom by working for myself instead of a company. It will take a few years, but I know there is no better way to invest my time. I do make a point of enjoying what I can along the way though. 95% of the time I am happy and sane.

It is obvious why people work. For you to get things you want, you have to provide something of value to someone else. Labor, products, services -- something other people value and will pay you for. This is extremely simple, but doesn't register with some people. You have to do something that improves people's lives in some way in order to get them to pay you.

It doesn't have to be painful or boring. Lots of people find ways to provide value that they actually enjoy. But most don't bother -- they assume work is supposed to be horrible, so they jump at the highest hourly rate they can find, no matter how they feel about the work itself.

Most people are not interested in the providing value part, they just want to get paid. And that's why they hate work. They don't give a shit about what their efforts are worth to others, so they take on work that has nothing to do with what they enjoy, contribute as little value as possible, get paid very little, and then resent the people who pay them. This self-defeating arrangement is perfectly normal.

If all you want is friends, fun and sun, work a shit job for a year, save a few thousand bucks and move to Thailand. I've met plenty of people who did just that. There you will have all three of your desires for cheap, and you'll see if they fulfill you.

If the problem is that you are trying to get through life without contributing anything of value to others, then you should expect very little of what you want in life.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: WhiskeyClone] * 1
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maybe it is the drugs, the drugs other people are on.. lol. recently I thought wow I sure take up alot of my time working on the grows, blending bark, walking in the park looking for material to get high..  sometimes I think wow what a waste, but im really enjoying myself. just the other day i was eves dropping on the crackheads and it just cracks me up all the money they go through and to get what, one them said i tried to poison them cause i gave em DMT and I just lold.. I get high every single day for free, sometimes so high I bump my head on the mothership.. I wouldnt tradde it for anything. :laugh:


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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: orison]
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Thanks for the advice. I was a little drunk last night, and catching a lot of shit from people who  think I need to just get going in life (hence my frustration in the OP).

I'd love to just get the fuck out and live off the land. Maybe I couldn't do it - OK. At least I will have learned my lesson.

The only problem I see there is having someone who will go with me. While most people are different than me, I still enjoy being around people (the ones who aren't constantly judging me anyway) and it would be difficult to find a friend who felt the same as me...let alone a female friend :sad:

Thanks again, you've all given me quite a bit to think about.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 1
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Anonymous said:
Everyone around you is wasting their lives. Toiling away at something that really fucking means nothing. When you think about it, all your hard work, everything you've done during your life...how many people does it really directly effect?

Why are we expected to fall into a system that works for nobody? Everyone is fucking miserable, and yet everyone does it. Its such a waste, such a horrible denial of life. Everyone works until they are old and able to retire - at which point none of your fucking success means shit. You're too old to enjoy all the shit you've worked for.

I feel like when I am old, and look back on my life, I'm going to be really pissed. I don't want to slave my life away just to make those around me happy. I want to live. I want to be happy. I want to be me, and not have to fucking waste my time with their bullshit.

I just don't get it. I've always been like this. Its not the drugs that made me feel like this, I've always felt like its all just a huge waste and everything people believe is wrong. How can I convince myself otherwise? How can I go about life working and living and raising a family and be happy like the average person? I don't want that. Not at all. I want friends, fun, sun.

How do you fucking remain sane and waste your life away working? I can't do it. I just don't get it.



If you are awake to all that then sanity is not an option. Really!:satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I try not to take anything or anyone too seriously.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: MOTH]
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I am insane most of the time. :crazy2:

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: p4kSouL]
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fuckinay i can relate to this a great deal.  or at least, i USED to be able to relate to this a great deal.

i find it interesting that people are always questioning the integrity of the world around us and what the purpose of all of it is.  why does life need to have a purpose to be worth living?  just the fact that you have been granted the opportunity to be a part of this always changing and always growing world in which we live is a gift that EVERYONE seems to take for granted.  sure, there's a lot of corruption all over this bitch, and we do in fact have the capabilities to shift the world in a completely new and incredible direction that can benefit all who inhabit this planet, but our kind still needs to break past a lot of the traditional ideas that have held us back for so long, and that's not gonna happen for at least a few more generations.  i feel like once people everywhere start to accept that there is NO purpose, and that this coveted utopia we are always seeking out is right in front of our fucking faces, that will be the day we re-enter 'eden'.  but that's just my two cents. 

be glad you are alive and able to see the error of ignorant peoples' ways.  it's a gift not many people are capable of having, or using to better mankind for that matter.

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Re: How the fuck do you stay sane? [Re: Anonymous #1]
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I feel you, I'm loosing the plot more and more every month. All I know is when you work, you appreciate your hobbies so much more. It sucks if you have a job that allows no down time though. I've been thinking about leaving my community college and going to school for one particular trade, since I like labor jobs better, and once I make some dough (it'll take a while but I suppose it's worth the wait) I'll go back to college and take the classes I actually want to take, since learning is one of my hobbies. It's so hard for me to focus on classes right now that I have absolutely no interest in, so I'm doing really bad in 2 of my classes, which is half the classes I'm taking! So it isn't worth getting bad grades and just continuously re-taking the classes I fail. I want some sort of labor job and then take classes I'm interested in on the side. And camp and go to shows and do what I please, hopefully it will work out!

Are you working? Are you in school? What exactly is making you feel that whatever you're doing is a waste? (Maybe I should have read the whole thread but this just caught my eye...)

I've been so confused lately from all the different advice I'm getting, everyone is telling something different including my parents, "I should go to college and find a job that I'm happy with, no, I should find a job and make a lot of money because that's what matters, even if I don't like it. No wait, I should do what makes me happy." I can't take it anymore, it's so confusing, what makes me happy is workin in soup kitchens and shit like that, and I'm not making any money from that! So I'm just like fuck it, I'll make my own game plan and if it doesn't work out I'll make up a plan B. I don't mind labor jobs at all.

It sucks when society is moving one way and your head is moving another, it's sooo confusing. And I hate to say it, but so many people are miserable with their jobs. Their job makes them so miserable that even when they have down time they are still stressed about their jobs. And so many people are divorced and the single moms have to work everyday and the child is left alone with no idea what to do, because when mommy comes home from work shes too tired to talk and pay attention to the kids, she just lays down. Can't even hug her kids. Sorry, that's a bit of my childhood right there lol, my mom has lupus and that's just how I feel, plus I'm on mad adderall, I've been up all night writing a midterm and I tend to go off on tangents when I'm in this state. Anyway, I get what you're saying dude but it doesn't have to be that way.

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