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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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idk you tell me


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: deCypher] * 1
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:pm:


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle] * 1
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Yeah, I saw that movie and it really got my mental gears turning, too. It wasn't a cinematic masterpiece but when I heard that line at the end it really got me thinking. As a Gnostic, myself, her answer that because of that feeling of hopelessness she knew "They're not God, but they can pretend to be" really got me thinking. I'm not one for alien abduction theories but seeing that my mind started spitting out old memories of History Channel specials about 'UFOs in the Old Testament' describing angelic visions as alien encounters, and stuff like that.

Though I've never really had an experience quite like yours but I've lost consciousness three times in my life. Once was in church and twice during private prayer. Each time I woke up having no idea where I was or what was going on, every time thinking I was somewhere else doing something else before looking around and realizing that wasn't so. One time in particular I vividly remember was passing out during fervent prayer and meditation at 1-2 AM during the dead of winter and I came to thinking it was a spring/summer afternoon and that I fell asleep laying on the floor with my dog. I worried that my mother would come home and find me like that and get all freaked out and then I opened my eyes and it was early in the morning/late at night again and my dog was asleep in his crate on a different floor. I didn't note any differences though, I was too busy getting my mind together. Seeing that movie brought those experiences to the forefront of my mind and freaked me the fuck out.

I usually relish the messed up shit in horror movies but that was the one out of the countless others I've seen that seriously shook me.


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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Interesting story. Psychedelics open us up energetically. One could speculate there was some external influence keeping you from seeing the response to the IMs, or the IM experience could have been sheer coincidence... Perhaps in your fragmented terror you messed with the computer?

The interesting thing I have taken from abduction encounters is their striking similarities to positive experiences. For example, sleep paralysis can either become a terrifying struggle accompanied by perceived negative entities, or can become a platform to an OBE in which one communes with positive spirit guides, deceased relatives, orbs of loving light, etc. The internal state of the person, whether they react with terror or not, seems to be the key factor.

Did you recall a loss of time? Thanks for sharing your story, very intriguing.

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Yeah, c0sm0nautt. I've thought about that, too.

I'm not saying what happened to me had anything to do with aliens and I was completely straight (substance wise) when they happened. But like your sleep paralysis theory, I remember one of my first times using psychedelics. I was peaking during a trip on cubies and I kept feeling this influence telling me to 'let go'. I kept telling myself it was just the dr00gz and that I had to keep my wits about me or else I'd end up like those kids they tell you about in health class that get lost in a trip and go crazy. So I spent the next 45 minutes clinging to my ego, struggling against the magic of the mushrooms. Eventually I felt like they said 'Fine, pussy. You don't want it then fuck you' and I started to come down. I didn't get any sleep for the next 24 hours.

Now I know that if I went with it I would have probably had a full ego death and achieved conscious union with the 'All' or gained some kind of gnosis but I was too young, ignorant, and stubborn at the time to let it happen. If I wasn't as mystically inclined and hungry for wisdom as I am I probably would have been scared to death and turned off to psychedelics all together. It wasn't a bad trip or anything (luckily I've never had one), could have been much worse, I just felt like I'd been put through the wringer after it was all over. I learned a valuable lesson, though, so I can't knock it.


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Edited by RiverRat427 (04/05/10 07:05 PM)

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: RiverRat427] * 1
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Let's look at your logic here:

*You were on magic mushrooms
*You were talking to someone on yahoo messenger
*You look at yahoo messenger and are unsure as to why your conversation disappeared

=Extraterrestials must have abducted me and deleted my conversation on yahoo

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Nah, I don't recall any loss of time.
And while it's always possible that there is some rational reason why the computer came back on (i.e. I did it myself) it seems unlikely to me. I'm a very sound tripper, never departing too far from what I see around me, only how I relate to what is around me. I'll interact in society on a dose of shrooms just fine.


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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From time to time I experience glitches in the matrix.  I blame technology.


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: appleorange]
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appleorange said:
Let's look at your logic here:

*You were on magic mushrooms
*You were talking to someone on yahoo messenger
*You look at yahoo messenger and are unsure as to why your conversation disappeared

=Extraterrestials must have abducted me and deleted my conversation on yahoo



That's my logic?
Doesn't look like an accurate representation of my experience at all.
And the extraterrestrial bit is thematically appropriate for this forum.
You'll note I threw out a lot of possibilities, all of them appropriate for this forum.
I even put one possibility in the original post for those who prefer a psychological spin.

Tell me, what is your real problem with my story?
What leaps am I really making that you're not comfortable with?

Obviously you are not me, and have no idea what my psychedelic experiences are like, but it's a bit more complicated than simply becoming confused as to why a messenger conversation disappeared. :lol:


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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I don't have any problem with your story.

I just think that it's a little bit of a stretch to believe that you were abducted by extraterrestials because yahoo messenger was acting up.

The fact that you were on magic mushrooms seems like a more plausible explanation for your inability to account for what happened on yahoo. That's just me though.

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: appleorange] * 1
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So it's not a problem with my story, it's a problem with believing my account of it...?
Sounds like the same thing to me :tongue2:

I watched the computer crash -- you can claim it a hallucination if you want.
I'm certainly not closed to the possibility.
But it goes against at least a hundred other trips where visual hallucinations have been absent.
Which of course causes one to ask, why was this one different? And why was it so isolated?
You're going to have to provide more for this hypothesis before it carries any more weight than aliens.


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Edited by Kickle (04/05/10 07:43 PM)

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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:etjesus:


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: deCypher] * 1
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remember the boogery ectoplasm?
ET Jesus works in mysterious ways.


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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do you still have a small hope??


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: deCypher] * 2
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"Even in the grimmest times I have seen glimmers of humanity which have reassured me that man's goodness is a flame that can never be extinguished." - Nelson Mandela


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: Kickle]
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Overall, can you say you are happy you had this experience? Did it open you up to new thoughts or avenues of thinking? I'm beginning to think the Universe orchestrates such things to assist us in awakening to the true nature of reality. Like I posted in the other thread, sometimes, however terrifying it may be at the time, it is just what the doctor ordered.

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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synchronicities are real, brah


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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: deCypher] * 1
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Would you like to believe that you were abducted by aliens?

The fact of the matter is that if you had never even heard of aliens, the entire idea being completely foreign to you, this explanation would never cross your mind.

How could it cross your mind? All explanations of events are based off of memory.

If we substituted you in this story with a bushman from Africa who conveniently knew how to use yahoo messenger, do you think he would have arrived at the same explanation that you have?

We are constantly living in the past; there is nothing new in us.

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Re: The Fourth Kind [Re: appleorange] * 1
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Aliens are simply Western cultures schema for understanding higher forms of multidimensional consciousness. In medieval Britain it was fairies. It countless other cultures they went by other names.

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