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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Anonymous #2 said:
I'm not saying I believe in creation, but I definitely don't believe it didn't happen.


Agreed, I wasn't there, I don't know what happened.
I sometimes like to think that evolution is a tool of the Creator, that it's random but inspired.

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Anonymous #6 said:
Agreed, I wasn't there, I don't know what happened.
I sometimes like to think that evolution is a tool of the Creator, that it's random but inspired.


You dont need to be at a place and time to have an idea of what happened there and then.  I didnt see slavery in the US, but I have a pretty good idea that it happened from the evidence.

My point is the fact that we weren't there doesn't negate the mountain of evidence we have. 

Its interesting that you bring this up.  Have you listened to Ken Ham?  He is the one who has pushed that argument and repeated that phrase over and over.  Nearly all the popular arguments and movements against evolution come from a samll group of people and the Discovery Institute.  Ken Hamm with answers in genesis and his mantra 'were you there?'.  The flagellum by Behe, specified complexity by Dembski and all the funding funneled through the Discovery Institute who hires the lawyers and fights the court battles.  Thankfully they usually lose.  But along the way they sow seeds of creationism, sometimes veiled in a very secular way.

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #5]
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My point is the fact that we weren't there doesn't negate the mountain of evidence we have. 


Evidence isn't proof.
I believe that evolution happens, has happened, is happening- but there's no proof that it's how we got here..

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Thats why I didnt use the word proof...  "Proof" is only useful is philosophy and mathematics.  There is no "proof" of things in science, thats not how science works.  There is no proof that the earth is round, just a mountain of evidence.  There is no proof that atoms have positive and negative charges, just a mountain of evidence.

Like I said above - "All scientific theories are always tentative because all scientists know we dont know everything."  All scientific theories are tentative; evolution, the round earth, charged particles.  To say that any one of those is "proved" is to say that the theory is not tentative which contradicts the very nature of science.

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #5]
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So then you are agreeing with me?
Agreeing that evidence points towards evolution, but nobody really knows how we got here?
I mean, we could have been planted here by space aliens. Maybe not likely- but possible, right?

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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I agree with you technically, but I dont agree with the spirit of your statement.

Talking about possibilities is useless.  Its possible aliens put us here and designed our biochemistry so that is seamless fit in with the rest of life that evolved here.  Its possible only I exist as a brain in a jar and the earth isnt real.  Its possible that the universe was created 1 second ago with all our memories in tact.  Possible, possible, possible... so what?

What is probable?  That is where knowledge comes in.  The mountain of evidence supporting evolution makes it as probable as the earth being round or charged particles existing.

Crackpots always appeal to possibilities, because the probabilities are not in there favor.

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #5]
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So I'm a crackpot because I don't agree with you?

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Nope, I dont know anything about you.  But if you constantly appeal to possibilities while ignoring probabilities you are well on your way to crackpottery.

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #5]
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Nah, I'm a realist- I bet the odds.

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #6]
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Anonymous #6 said:
So then you are agreeing with me?
Agreeing that evidence points towards evolution, but nobody really knows how we got here?
I mean, we could have been planted here by space aliens. Maybe not likely- but possible, right?


about as likely as god placing us here

just because something is theoretically possible doesn't really mean it deserves discussion

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Re: Evolution? [Re: Anonymous #4]
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Anonymous #4 said: about as likely as god placing us here


No more likely? Nor less?

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Anonymous #4 said: just because something is theoretically possible doesn't really mean it deserves discussion


Life wouldn't be much fun if we only talked about real things.

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