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Anonymous #1

Hostility against religious people
    #7876683 - 01/14/08 12:37 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

A significant group here on the Shroomery reacts to religion as if when they were kids the priests of the major world religions lined up to sodomize them.

What's with all the religion bashing?

Just because someone is religious, that does not mean he or she is an idiot. Not a few here seem to be on an unholy Jihad to tear all religions apart, and to disrespect and belittle everyone who chooses to believe in them.

What happened to live and let live?

A lot of them are just pseudo-scientific nihilists. Science never proved there was no God, nor that there is no afterlife. God and Afterlife are just two of the many things that happen to be unprovable. Well so is string theory.

There is no God :emo:
When you die its all over :emo:
Life is void of any meaning :emo:

Stop imposing your emo worldviews on other people :crankey:

Most Christians and other believers here on the Shroomery are far from zealots. They do not impose their beliefs on others. A lot of agnostics here however are fundamentalists of nihilism.

Live and let live, ok?


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Anonymous #2

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7876736 - 01/14/08 12:46 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I shit shit.


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Anonymous #3

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7876838 - 01/14/08 01:17 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

All I know for certain is that I know nothing.


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Anonymous #4

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7876840 - 01/14/08 01:19 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

How do you figure its emo?

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Well so is string theory.




oooh bait

Atleast with string theory the possibility of observing something that has been predicted to exist is real. They know roughly where they should start looking to find data that backs up their theory. They arent pulling random feel good shit out of their asses, its all logical, not some storytime garbage. All the technology jazz may not be up to par at the moment but there is definitely more hope to either proving or disproving string theory than there is for proving/disproving the existence of god.

I dont know anything about string theory though, maybe you can explain to me why what I just said may be false? Why is it impossible for string theory to be proven?


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Anonymous #1

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7876876 - 01/14/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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How do you figure its emo?




Science has no conclusive answers to many things. If one of all those things consistently cooses for the most nihilist, most depressing, least joyful of all options and raises them to fact, one's being emo.
There should be joy in science, not systematic disenchantment.

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Why is it impossible for string theory to be proven?




String Theory is being considered by many great scientists. Despite this, it predicts nothing that the central scientific theory doesn't subscribe to, and there are NO experiments that have shown results that favor string theory over the previously existing scientific worldview. Other than mental gymnastics it gave us nothing. There has yet to be found a way to observe a string which demonstrates it is in fact a string and not a dancing Chinese dragon. Chances are this never will happen too.

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there is definitely more hope to either proving or disproving string theory than there is for proving/disproving the existence of god.




Why? At any time scientists may stumble on a combination of factors conspiring in a way that is so vastly improbable to have occurred by existing theory, that the only logical conclusion would be that it was made by design.

God can be proven at any time, just like string theory, but so far both are just leaps of faith. A leap of faith is bad science, but a perfectly legitimate thing to do as a sentient organism :smile:


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Anonymous #5

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7876897 - 01/14/08 01:49 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

So I guess all that justifies calling somebody an idiot for believing something you can't prove to be wrong.

Oh, oh wait, yeah! What about the crusades?! Christians logging onto the Shroomery MUST be held accountable for all the violence that stupider Christians have committed hundreds of years ago. Just like all scientists and "rationalists" must be held accountable for medical atrocities committed throughout history, the atomic bomb, and etc.

Oh, wait. We're not talking about rational people here, we're talking about FUCKING HYPOCRITES.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #7876966 - 01/14/08 02:25 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Most Christians and other believers here on the Shroomery are far from zealots. They do not impose their beliefs on others. A lot of agnostics here however are fundamentalists of nihilism.




I think that you have agnostics confused with athiests.


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Anonymous #7

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7876969 - 01/14/08 02:27 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I don't respect religious people for the same reason that I don't respect people who believe in Elvis's ghost.


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Anonymous #5

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #7876974 - 01/14/08 02:33 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Very childish.

I'm agnostic, but hating on religious people is the ultimate hypocrisy. I see so much bitching and wailing about religious persecution throughout the centuries, as if some Christian you're meeting (though "thrashing" is more often the case) online is threatening you with a fucking crusade.


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Anonymous #8

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #7877049 - 01/14/08 03:48 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I am another person tired of the inevitable religion vs. atheism debates that crop up, because we all by now know all the arguments for both sides. And there is only one option but to tolerate both sides and shelve the entire issue although - if you don't want to become stuck in some sort of perpetual pointless sparring.


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Anonymous #1

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #8]
    #7877070 - 01/14/08 04:15 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Let's look what we have in common, and not further increase the distance between us.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7877248 - 01/14/08 07:24 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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What's with all the religion bashing?





I guess a lot of those people have been the targets of judgment and contempt from the religious status quo.  If you think Christians are persecuted, try being an atheist in a primarily religious community.  Ordinary people treat you like a heathen, a monster.

Attacks on religion might not be the best response, but it is definitely understandable.

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Anonymous said:
There is no God :emo:
When you die its all over :emo:
Life is void of any meaning :emo:





It's because of comments like this ^^^^

Why is somebody 'emo' just because they don't believe in god?  Why is that a negative thing?  Grow up you fucking hypocrite.


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Anonymous #10

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7877253 - 01/14/08 07:27 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Just because someone is religious, that does not mean he or she is an idiot.




I beg to differ.

Theres hundreds of different religions, all with different Gods and messiahs etc. Why would you randomly pick any one? Or do you go with mass consensus and choose Christianity because its the most prevalent around you.

Personally I look at it from a 3rd person perspective. I think what has caused all these separate societies to formulate these beliefs in God?
It suddenly becomes apparent that they are trying to answer the biggest questions that face humanity; How and why are we here?

OK good, everything tries to answer that, science tries to answer that BUT the problem comes when you just make up an answer. Which is what religions do. You can tell that because each separate culture has done this; We humans naturally make up answers for questions we cannot answer as opposed to leaving them "unknown".

Now as for religious hate. I don't hate religious people but I do think they are very misguided and uneducated. I think much religious hate today stems from the realization that religion has separated human kind into category's and this religious separation is the cause of countless wars and thus the unnecessary death of billions of human kind.


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Anonymous #9

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #10]
    #7877330 - 01/14/08 08:18 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Anonymous said:
Quote:

Just because someone is religious, that does not mean he or she is an idiot.




I beg to differ.






I'm not religious but this is a bit naive.

You do not have to be an idiot to be religious. People don't really 'choose' their religions; their reality is constructed by the social conditioning they have experienced.

Regardless of intelligence or education, this construct trumps all explanations offered by others. People unconsciously gravitate towards explanations that do not upend what they already believe. Denying claims that conflict with one's beliefs is a defense mechanism utilized by atheists and theists alike.

I think the idea of an omnipotent god makes little sense, but I'm not going to call someone an idiot for disagreeing. It isn't as if we agnostics and atheists see the world with clarity and theists do not. I don't think humans have even come close to understanding the universe we live in in an objective sense.


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Anonymous #6

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #9]
    #7877336 - 01/14/08 08:20 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

:lolocaust:


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Anonymous #11

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7877364 - 01/14/08 08:32 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

The ones that pain me the most are the arrogant atheists, who don't seem to understand that atheism itself is a system of belief, and that is a system of belief with just as much presumptuousness as any other religion.


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Anonymous #12

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7877918 - 01/14/08 11:45 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Anonymous said:
Just because someone is religious, that does not mean he or she is an idiot.




It doesn't?


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Anonymous #13

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7877925 - 01/14/08 11:47 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)



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Anonymous #14

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #12]
    #7877938 - 01/14/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Anonymous said:
Quote:

Anonymous said:
Just because someone is religious, that does not mean he or she is an idiot.




It doesn't?



QFT


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Anonymous #15

Re: Hostility against religious people [Re: Anonymous #14]
    #7877994 - 01/14/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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EIGHTEEN suspected homo-sexuals have been arrested by the police in Bauchi for alleged sodomy.

The accused may be sentenced to death if convicted under Bauchi State’s Islamic Shariah law.

The News Agency of Nigeria (NAN) reported that the suspects were arrested Sunday in a hotel in Bauchi and arraigned Wednesday before Justice Taminu Abubakar of the Bauchi High Court.




American Christian comments about this:

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It use to be that way in this country untill the politicians turned their backs on GOD. But wait, judgement day is coming. Then we shall see what is right




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What is the difference between a homo and child molester? nothing they are both found to have deviant behavior.

How dare someone think homo's are not worth being tried for deviant behavior.




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The Law of the Lord is the Law of the Lord. As He said "I AM the Lord God, I change Not." But lets twist and spin like Satan does. Like he said "Hath not God said?" What communion hath light with darkness. Loving thy neighbor does not mean becoming part of their evil and abomination and in so doing mocking of God's Holy Word and Law. Read the Bible as the WHole Word of God and learn something besides this hippie love child garbage of Satan.




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In the beginning God made man, then God made woman and named them Adam and Eve and it was beautiful:

NOT!... Adam and Steve, for that is the sin by not being created by God:

But by mans own greed of doing it their way and not by Gods way:

Myway is Gods way:

Just make it easy by going back to square one




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The death penalty might be a little harsh; perhaps they could reduce their punishment to castration and amputating their penis




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If a person knows something is punishable by death, then why do it, why take the risk? I am in no way Muslim, but I do admire the swift way a punishment is executed instead of years on death row and appeal after appeal...all at tax payers expense.
Since you bring religion into it, let me remind you to read the entire Bible.Sodomy comes from Sodom. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed by God for their homosexuality. God says "I am the same yesterday, today and tomorrow." A holy God never changes his mind about sin. Marriage and the family were God's design. Homosexuality is not from God. Some always want to throw the word love around, but they fail to note that Bible speaks far more about wrath of God than the love of God. Jesus is coming soon but not in love. He came the first time as the suffering Savior, but the next time it will be for judgment. However,at present, there is still time for repentance and He is willing to forgive.
Your argument is not with man, but with the Word of God.




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