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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: The Buddha and Becker on the problem. [Re: rebus_minus]
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I don't think its about getting rid of conditioning, thats impossible, almost everything that makes up a 'human being' consists of conditioning, except one part, awareness, awareness is never conditioned, so if anything meditation is not to get rid of conditioning, but to see through it with awareness to the extent that conditioning no longer defines who you feel you are

Icelander said:
Becoming less would feel good. Less anxiety and worry and fear. Becoming nothing would solve the problem completely. No more death anxiety. But the fact is it seems, we are something.



Thats beautiful


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I feel that what people refer to as samadhi is the experience of pure awareness


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:grin: many times, always infact

It may sound confusing or irritating, but id say you experience samadhi all the time, perhaps unconsciously
What people call the samadhi experience is experiencing awareness consciously.

We are always awareness, but not always aware that we are awareness.
What i mean is that the perfect state is always there as the undercurrent of our being, but we are aware of so many temporary things 'out there', we miss whats always 'here'


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At first it seems you are a person who has glimpses of experiencing the infinte
Eventually you come to see you are the infinite who is experiencing being a person

Like this samadhi seems at first like a passing experience of altered consciousness
Eventually you see that samadhi is unaltered consciousness & that what we take to be 'normal' mental states are infact the altered states

Samadhi is to be in the most natural state of being, infinite perfection


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Im pretty sure i said its impossible to 'get rid of' conditioning, transcendence isn't about getting rid of anything really, its just about going beyond things, seeing through conditioning, that is totally possible!

Samadhi is like a feelingless feeling, a stateless state, it can't ever be fully described really, its fun trying though, i could describe it for hours to you if you were sat here next to me


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beleive me about what?


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Nirvikalpa samadhi is the state of total absorption, if i close my eyes & go into meditation then that is my experience
Sahaja samadhi is what i experience all the time, the natural state
Theres no proof of anyones experience


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He had brain damage during birth and this allows it. It's basically impossible unless you have such a lucky experience.:sad:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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My brain was damaged from being on earth with other humans.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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rebus_minus said:
you make it all sound too simple to achieve.



Its nothing, literally, not even an acheivement really


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Re: The Buddha and Becker on the problem. [Re: Chronic7]
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You did it in your sleep.:lol:

If it's so fucking easy they how come all those buddhist's aren't enlightened and you're still hanging around guru's?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Buddha and Becker on the problem. [Re: Icelander]
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I havent seen Mooji for a good few months, hes in India & i don't usually go to the big satsangs anymore, but if he calls me up for tea for sure ill go see him, what a wonderful opportunity as far as i see it :shrug:

My impression was that many Buddhists possibly are enlightened?
I didnt realize their all erratically still searching the globe for peace, i thought most of em had found it...


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