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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs?
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Anyone that you've known or heard of in real life?

And I don't mean just a big easy belief like heaven or god or aliens. I mean all
the way through to the subtle beliefs that you may not even know you hold.


When we are born we may not even be capable of beliefs, but very soon, far
before our brains are fully developed we form layers of belief, we build an
internal world made of beliefs intertwined with emotion, beliefs intertwined
with self, beliefs intertwined with memory. And this internal world is then
intertwined with the external world until we no longer see a difference between
what's real and what's our imagination.

We are seduced by our imagination. It offers such richness, even promises to
relieve us of fear and dispare. What happens when you strip it all away?

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Freedom]
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If you strip it all away, you could never even begin to convey it :shrug:


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Freedom]
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Freedom said:
What happens when you strip it all away?



If you reject every beleif your mind can possibly hold & stay alone as the imminently true, freedom is what happens


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Edited by Chronic7 (01/18/10 01:07 PM)

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Freedom]
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theres a book written by a toltec indian, The 4 Agreements.  he says that everything we know and believe in, we subconsciously agree as truth, due to things like nature and nurture. 
terrence mckenna has that youtube video talking about our society as our operating system.
both of these people talk about trying to break down that system and start over to develop our own personal belief system. 

as much as i agree with them both and am in a continual process of doing so, i think that we need to acknowledge this world that we spend our waking hours in as not to destroy the flesh.  if we let go of all beliefs, even down to saying that i am not a physical being, you would destroy yourself and this life is precious. 

i had an amazing experience with a stripping away of who i actually am.  50mg of dmt in one hit, hold and exhale into immediate hyperspace.  in there i was stripped of every description of what makes me ME.  who are you when you have everything stripped away?  you discover that you are nothing and everything all at once.

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: blackstatis]
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blackstatis said:
if we let go of all beliefs, even down to saying that i am not a physical being, you would destroy yourself and this life is precious. 



Why trust that beleif?

If you investigate what you honestly are, and reject anything you can beleive in or imagine, your body will be fine, it will actually thankyou for relieving it of a lot of internal stress.

blackstatis said:
i had an amazing experience with a stripping away of who i actually am.  50mg of dmt in one hit, hold and exhale into immediate hyperspace.  in there i was stripped of every description of what makes me ME.


What was stirpped away is what you are not, you can not remove who you actually are, its the one thing that cant be stripped away

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who are you when you have everything stripped away?  you discover that you are nothing and everything all at once.



This discovery seems worth it, did you destroy yourself afterwards?
You stripped everything away & you were still there, so why would you buy into the beleif that 'if we let go of all beleif you would destroy yourself'
Poppycock!


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Edited by Chronic7 (01/18/10 01:22 PM)

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: blackstatis]
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as i learn beliefs are changed. most of the time it's pretty profound and eye opening. school is great.


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People never seem to know what they least suspect is coming next.

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: blackstatis]
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It's impossible not to hold any beliefs while you're still conscious.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: deCypher]
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deCypher said:
It's impossible not to hold any beliefs while you're still conscious.


Nice example of another beleif...


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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Chronic7]
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freedom being....?
If you believe freedom is the removal of everything, you didn't remove everything, because the thought of what was is still there.
Chronic777 said:
blackstatis said:
if we let go of all beliefs, even down to saying that i am not a physical being, you would destroy yourself and this life is precious. 



Why trust that beleif?

If you investigate what you honestly are, and reject anything you can beleive in or imagine, your body will be fine, it will actually thankyou for relieving it of a lot of internal stress.


This begs the question, what are you?
You seem to identify with words, a means of communication that you were not born with.
You seem to identify with Buddhist philosophy, a form of thought that you were not born with.
Are those correct or incorrect statements of who you are/embody?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
deCypher said:
It's impossible not to hold any beliefs while you're still conscious.


Nice example of another beleif...


Absolutely, and if you disagree with my assertion then that also provides a nice example of your belief.  :wink:


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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Freedom]
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How could you cast off a belief you don't know you have?:grin:

But no, no one can completely cast off their programs. I can't even imagine what that would look like. For sure language would not be involved.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Kickle]
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I use words but i don't identify with them, i have never identified myself as a Buddhist :shrug:
I just understand what a Buddha understands, i don't feel the need to understand much else




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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
blackstatis said:
if we let go of all beliefs, even down to saying that i am not a physical being, you would destroy yourself and this life is precious. 



Why trust that beleif?

If you investigate what you honestly are, and reject anything you can beleive in or imagine, your body will be fine, it will actually thankyou for relieving it of a lot of internal stress.

blackstatis said:
i had an amazing experience with a stripping away of who i actually am.  50mg of dmt in one hit, hold and exhale into immediate hyperspace.  in there i was stripped of every description of what makes me ME.  who are you when you have everything stripped away?  you discover that you are nothing and everything all at once.


What was stirpped away is what you are not, you can not remove who you actually are, its the one thing that cant be stripped away
This discovery seems worth it, did you destroy yourself afterwards?
You stripped everything away & you were still there, so why would you buy into the beleif that 'if we let go of all beleif you would destroy yourself'
Poppycock!



ok, what was stripped away wasn't who i actually am, but descriptions of what and who makes up my physical being, that exists on earth in our popularly believed reality.  i have a hard time using words to describe what i actually mean. 

i'm just saying in terms of the self destruction, not a suicide or an implosion, but say you start to believe; i believe i don't have to eat anymore...  i dunno.  this is a hard one because if anyone says anything, we could retort with; well why do you believe that.  take away all beliefs and we would have nothing really.  maybe it would be just pure existence.

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: blackstatis]
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blackstatis said:
ok, what was stripped away wasn't who i actually am, but descriptions of what and who makes up my physical being, that exists on earth in our popularly believed reality.  i have a hard time using words to describe what i actually mean. 

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I get what your tryna say, i was just reminding you that the false you was stripped away & the true you remained...

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take away all beliefs and we would have nothing really.  maybe it would be just pure existence


may be... theres only one way to find out, undress


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Edited by Chronic7 (01/18/10 01:35 PM)

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Chronic7]
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may be that pure existence is what is strived for in most religions failed to be described with meek beliefs and tales of pearly gates to try and lure the imagination into unknown worlds were everything is perfect. 

you know like being in heaven with god and having no physical form, just existing in eternity.  i wonder about that alot.  i think that religion may have had alot of things right and in common.  wouldn't be much to need to believe in once you've made it that far.

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: blackstatis]
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Quote:
if we let go of all beliefs, even down to saying that i am not a physical being, you would destroy yourself and this life is precious.


Quote:
It's impossible not to hold any beliefs while you're still conscious.


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But no, no one can completely cast off their programs.


So what explains these assertions? Have you simply been seduced by belief and your want of belief creates the belief that you can't cast it off?

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Freedom]
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Evidence explains mine sir. Billions of examples.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: blackstatis]
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blackstatis said:
i'm just saying in terms of the self destruction, not a suicide or an implosion, but say you start to believe; i believe i don't have to eat anymore...  i dunno.  this is a hard one because if anyone says anything, we could retort with; well why do you believe that.  take away all beliefs and we would have nothing really.  maybe it would be just pure existence.


Hunger is not a belief. Eating is not a belief. What is the bridge between hunger and eating? Can it be something other than a belief?

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Evidence explains mine sir. Billions of examples.


Fair enough. I certainly would not recommend any one spend their life chasing this impossible dream.

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Re: Has Anyone Cast off Their Beliefs? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
But no, no one can completely cast off their programs.


To an extent we all have our programs, but it is possible to see through them time & time again so they weaken in their grip & increase the sense of freedom/inner space/peace

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I can't even imagine what that would look like.


Exaclty, imagination is what runs all the programs :wink:


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