MushroomTrip said:
I wasn't talking about psychiatrists but about psychologists. Why people confuse these two all the time, I don't know. 
Anyways, maybe this will clear things up for everyone posting their opinion on the matter: psychiatrists are medics and they are the ones who are trained in running physical examinations, interpreting MRI's and topographies, and prescribing pills. Psychologists aren't medics and they are trained in various psychotherapies which they apply, as the case requires. They study the human behavior, mind, emotions, intelligence, etc.
Regarding your superiority claim, it really sounds like nothing more than cheap and unsubstantiated Scientology propaganda.
first, im not the one that confused psychologists and psychiatrists. I am well aware of the differences.
second, calling something "cheap ______ propaganda" is McCarthyism at its core and is the refuge of small minds.
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I hope that you you are aware of the multiple flaws in this statement, especially since you're the one who admitted that what you said can't be proven. You see, things that exist can be explored, examined, measured, presented and then proven; since you can't do any of these things with your statement, it only makes sense that it is nothing more than a personal, irrational emotion coupled with a lack of information and presumptuousness.
I wasnt trying to pass it off as fact... that was my opinion... but taking a cue from you, in the realm of psychiatry, what has been proven? there is no proof for adhd, or depression... in fact, outside of drastic physical cephalic abnormalities like parkinsons or schizophrenia psychiatry has only been able to "explore, examine, measure and present" (notice not proven) anything... and that is only due to the fact that it is fundamentally flawed as a theory, but continues to assert how right it is in the face of no proof or having any positive effect upon the general wellness of society.
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A good psychologist will always have, above any professional training at any level, a bunch of compassion and empathy which will give him the possibility of putting himself in someone else's skin and feeling their pain from a non-judgmental, non-superior position. When one feels compassion and empathy, there's no more room for power trips and feelings of superiority. Realizing that you can help someone come to better terms with themselves and grow as a person doesn't draw by itself any feeling of control over that person and it doesn't portray any kind of preset "human nature".
regardless of whether or not a psychiatrist is some diabolical power maniac, it still takes a recognition of someone thinking/saying "this person is more stable than i am"... or more sane, or more educated in these things.... it is the same relationship as guru to pupil, intern to master...
I find nothing wrong with these relationships at that state... otherwise how would people learn? but in psychiatry, there are no measures put in place to ensure that these psychiatrists ARE any better than you. In the case of Guru/pupil the guru has practiced empathy and compassion, or whatever set of virtues you are seeking for that particular guru, and lives/breathes/practices those things all the time and everyday.
can you say the same for a psychiatrist/client relationship?
this isnt a discussion of whether or not psychiatry works or not, im just trying to get you to agree that with the given structure of psychotherapy it seems like it is implied that the therapist has to be a paragon of emotional stability and exemplify pristine standards of sanity, clarity, and lucidity.
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Tell me, do car mechanics feel superior to you when they fix your car, because they know that without them your car won't work and that you don't know how to fix your car without their help? Does everyone providing a service feel superior to the people that buy their service?
not always... but in your example, it does take the customer saying "you know more than me about how to fix this car, you are better at me than this"... maybe not saying it, but it is implied. in every case.
the reason this sticks out in psychiatry so much is because it is a purely subjective science (oxymoron?). in the case of the mechanic, they are trained and their knowledge can be measured, evaluated, and tested. "Here i fixed your carburetor, it is working now, you can try it out.. it is comparable to a brand new carburetor".
what can be quantized about a psychiatrists state of mind? how can you measure a psychiatrists competency in his field when it is as subjective as measuring it against a completely arbitrary set of rules for dictating what sanity is? or lucidity? or emotional stability?
what we are dealing with is an entirely self made, self propagated field which is based on nothing more than an unproven theory. they get to put the goal line wherever they want because they have made the rules that govern themselves... no transparency, almost no oversight... and what little oversight there is, is only acted upon once 23 kids in canada die from heart attacks due to overprescription, or 80,000 elderly die from respiratory failure due to prescription conflicts.... IOW only after lots of people die for no reason....
then what happens? you lose your license, no jail time... or maybe the advisory panel eventually rules in favor of the drugs case because 80% of the members on that panel had financial ties to the company and/or drug and its only discontinued because the facts were blasted all over headlines and sales drastically dropped.
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