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OfflineFoothill
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A psychologists opinion......... on myself?
    #9026958 - 10/04/08 01:56 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm so pleased to have found a spirituality and philosophy thread on here.

Here's a little background, I'm about to receive my degree in psychology, I'm very anti-organized religion, and I'm very introverted.

Most of my views are based in evolutionary psychology. Therefore, I cannot accept organized religion, especially Americanized Christianity, as from an evolutionary psychologists perspective it will die out. I see myself as more of a transcendentalist.

It's all fine and well to talk to people on psychedelic threads on here, but no one in the real world relates to me. My girlfriend is a christian, my mom is super anti psychedelics, and this whole damn town is so conservative. My dad was like me, but society got to him and now he's like this.. suppressed hippie who lost his voice of independence.

What bugs me the most is hearing the all to familiar... "You take drugs?? What are you trying to escape from?". People always assume that if you drop a blotter you're trying to escape. For me it's the absolute opposite, I'm trying to GET SOMEWHERE.

As a psychologist, I believe that psychedelics are the only plausible religion that is not a placebo like the high obtained from singing as a group in Catholic mass.

If I wasn't in such good control of my psychological well being.... sometimes I have these existentialist moments where it's like, what's the point. No where on earth can I practice my 'religion' and have my ideas accepted legally or (even worse) socially. I'm not suicidal, which means a lot coming from a credible expert on the subject, so don't say that. But seriously, I dont belong here.


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OfflineFoothill
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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9027016 - 10/04/08 02:18 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

O, I forgot, I have to say something controversial to get a response.

Waiting till marriage to have sex is an absolutely dispicable thing to do to your psyche and life plan.

Healthy doses of pornography are good for your psyche.

... i'll think of others


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9027414 - 10/04/08 06:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

you must be a very young psychologist.

can you move to a different city and practice psychology among fewer christians and maybe find a new girlfriend/companion that likes you for who you are?

or are you still a psychologist in training, stuck in the boonies, and wailing elegantly as part of your whole endurance management thing?


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9027420 - 10/04/08 07:01 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

a psychologist is supposed to help people with their problems,
a good psychologist has overcome, or experienced and successfully managed, the problems their patients are going through.

a good psychologist knows that he can only take his patients as far as he's gone,
all master healers know this.

as i see it, you've got a long way to go, but you're at the point where you too can look and see this.

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9027423 - 10/04/08 07:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Foothill said:

Healthy doses of pornography are good for your psyche.




You must be Freudian.

Seriously, Welcome to the Shroomery. :peace:

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Middleman]
    #9027426 - 10/04/08 07:05 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

that was helpful

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9027433 - 10/04/08 07:11 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Foothill said:

As a psychologist, I believe that psychedelics are the only plausible religion that is not a placebo like the high obtained from singing as a group in Catholic mass.




Why would you think that?
I don't think that there's any real problem with Christianity, but with the idea of religion itself. Honestly, I think that your ideas both on religion and lack of freedom are limited and too black and white.
Even if you find any kind of help in psychedelics, it doesn't mean that they have a greater meaning than the one you give, and it most definitely doesn't mean that there's a universal answer for everybody in there.

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If I wasn't in such good control of my psychological well being.... sometimes I have these existentialist moments where it's like, what's the point. No where on earth can I practice my 'religion' and have my ideas accepted legally or (even worse) socially. I'm not suicidal, which means a lot coming from a credible expert on the subject, so don't say that. But seriously, I dont belong here.




What makes you think you are in such good control of your psyche?
Also, why do you feel like you're not being "allowed" to take psychedelics, as if you could only do it if they were legal? Sounds to me like you mostly reflect a deeper need to accepted, than to just live your life in a pleasant way, regardless of your surroundings and circumstances.
If I were you, I'd first take more time to think about why I feel like I don't belong in a place, and, if after all this my thinking that I don't belong somewhere would still sound reasonable, I'd think about moving and stop whining. :shrug2:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9027711 - 10/04/08 09:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Foothill said:
I'm so pleased to have found a spirituality and philosophy thread on here.

Here's a little background, I'm about to receive my degree in psychology, I'm very anti-organized religion, and I'm very introverted.

Most of my views are based in evolutionary psychology. Therefore, I cannot accept organized religion, especially Americanized Christianity, as from an evolutionary psychologists perspective it will die out. I see myself as more of a transcendentalist.

It's all fine and well to talk to people on psychedelic threads on here, but no one in the real world relates to me. My girlfriend is a christian, my mom is super anti psychedelics, and this whole damn town is so conservative. My dad was like me, but society got to him and now he's like this.. suppressed hippie who lost his voice of independence.

What bugs me the most is hearing the all to familiar... "You take drugs?? What are you trying to escape from?". People always assume that if you drop a blotter you're trying to escape. For me it's the absolute opposite, I'm trying to GET SOMEWHERE.

As a psychologist, I believe that psychedelics are the only plausible religion that is not a placebo like the high obtained from singing as a group in Catholic mass.

If I wasn't in such good control of my psychological well being.... sometimes I have these existentialist moments where it's like, what's the point. No where on earth can I practice my 'religion' and have my ideas accepted legally or (even worse) socially. I'm not suicidal, which means a lot coming from a credible expert on the subject, so don't say that. But seriously, I dont belong here.




I can see why you don't feel like you belong there.
You do belong HERE.

You will find many people who support your views.

Keep building your intelligence, try not to be abrasive with the idiots who think LSD is about escape; be subtle, show them that they are the ones who are really on the escape. You're a psychologist, you should learn to think like the actor society wants you to be; while remembering to act like yourself too.


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a psychologist is supposed to help people with their problems,
a good psychologist has overcome, or experienced and successfully managed, the problems their patients are going through.

a good psychologist knows that he can only take his patients as far as he's gone,
all master healers know this.

as i see it, you've got a long way to go, but you're at the point where you too can look and see this.




A psychologist is a human who has been killed and his image built into a thing, much like a dead tree can build a house. I think someone like this is intelligent enough to understand that he is not his role, and to use the powers of psychology for the self as opposed to for the psychologist.

(Not to say he shouldn't play a psychologist in 'real life', in which case he should pretend like you suggest.)


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Know your substance.
Know your source.

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #9027769 - 10/04/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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I can see why you don't feel like you belong there.
You do belong HERE.

You will find many people who support your views.




Just like anywhere else, there will be some people who support his views. I don't think that it's the case to generalize this for this place.
Also, maybe he needs his ideas to be challenged, in order for him to refine them.

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Keep building your intelligence, try not to be abrasive with the idiots who think LSD is about escape; be subtle, show them that they are the ones who are really on the escape.




"They" who?
Having a misconception doesn't necessarily have to translate in any form of escapism.

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You're a psychologist, you should learn to think like the actor society wants you to be; while remembering to act like yourself too.




Why should he do that? Isn't it more preferential to be yourself and not the character that other people want you to be? How can he be a good psychologist if he is the one who's pretending the most? :wow:


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A psychologist is a human who has been killed and his image built into a thing, much like a dead tree can build a house. I think someone like this is intelligent enough to understand that he is not his role, and to use the powers of psychology for the self as opposed to for the psychologist.

(Not to say he shouldn't play a psychologist in 'real life', in which case he should pretend like you suggest.)




What? :what:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9027804 - 10/04/08 10:41 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

I can see why you don't feel like you belong there.
You do belong HERE.

You will find many people who support your views.




Just like anywhere else, there will be some people who support his views. I don't think that it's the case to generalize this for this place.
Also, maybe he needs his ideas to be challenged, in order for him to refine them.





Actually I'm specifying this for this place.
He is welcome here, and many people here share those views.
Sorry if I detracted from your 'this is an exclusive club' ambience.

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Keep building your intelligence, try not to be abrasive with the idiots who think LSD is about escape; be subtle, show them that they are the ones who are really on the escape.




"They" who?
Having a misconception doesn't necessarily have to translate in any form of escapism.





I suppose that would be a matter of mistranslation.
The ones who actually believe LSD users should be punished by violence, imprisonment, or property theft.
Having this misconception translates into escaping the reality of individuals having the right to their own mind.

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You're a psychologist, you should learn to think like the actor society wants you to be; while remembering to act like yourself too.




Why should he do that? Isn't it more preferential to be yourself and not the character that other people want you to be? How can he be a good psychologist if he is the one who's pretending the most? :wow:





Clinical professionals are expected to act very specific ways. If you forget you are acting it can be painful and self distorting.

Everyone is acting, especially in society, ESPECIALLY in professional society; having awareness of this and knowing that it is acceptable can help you remain comfortable. Everyone is pretending to be who they are.

'Being a good psychologist' is nothing other than dogma if you forget you are actually just a person who has received training and been talked up.

Quote:


Quote:

A psychologist is a human who has been killed and his image built into a thing, much like a dead tree can build a house. I think someone like this is intelligent enough to understand that he is not his role, and to use the powers of psychology for the self as opposed to for the psychologist.

(Not to say he shouldn't play a psychologist in 'real life', in which case he should pretend like you suggest.)




What? :what:




The roles we have in society are designed to entrap us; understand that everyone is entrapped and you may be free even while pretending to be the role.


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9027844 - 10/04/08 10:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Foothill said:
I'm so pleased to have found a spirituality and philosophy thread on here.

Here's a little background, I'm about to receive my degree in psychology, I'm very anti-organized religion, and I'm very introverted.

Most of my views are based in evolutionary psychology. Therefore, I cannot accept organized religion, especially Americanized Christianity, as from an evolutionary psychologists perspective it will die out. I see myself as more of a transcendentalist.

It's all fine and well to talk to people on psychedelic threads on here, but no one in the real world relates to me. My girlfriend is a christian, my mom is super anti psychedelics, and this whole damn town is so conservative. My dad was like me, but society got to him and now he's like this.. suppressed hippie who lost his voice of independence.

What bugs me the most is hearing the all to familiar... "You take drugs?? What are you trying to escape from?". People always assume that if you drop a blotter you're trying to escape. For me it's the absolute opposite, I'm trying to GET SOMEWHERE.

As a psychologist, I believe that psychedelics are the only plausible religion that is not a placebo like the high obtained from singing as a group in Catholic mass.

If I wasn't in such good control of my psychological well being.... sometimes I have these existentialist moments where it's like, what's the point. No where on earth can I practice my 'religion' and have my ideas accepted legally or (even worse) socially. I'm not suicidal, which means a lot coming from a credible expert on the subject, so don't say that. But seriously, I dont belong here.




Leave, leave them all; your town full of fools and your family who won't accept you for who you are. Set out to find your real family. If you don't they will try to eat you alive. And they may succeed.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Icelander]
    #9027894 - 10/04/08 11:03 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Why not just get some guns and kill them all before they eat you?


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #9027918 - 10/04/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You're getting ahead of yourself Hue, you will need to wait until things break down a little more. Then I'm sure it will be fine.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Icelander]
    #9027923 - 10/04/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I am sure if I tell the police that I was being eaten alive then it will be alright...just self defense.


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #9027940 - 10/04/08 11:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Maybe in Kentucky.:lol:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #9027960 - 10/04/08 11:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Actually I'm specifying this for this place.
He is welcome here, and many people here share those views.
Sorry if I detracted from your 'this is an exclusive club' ambience.




You're the only one that mentions an "exclusive club", not me, perhaps a a perception tuning is in order? :tongue:
What I was objecting to, of course, was you saying that he belongs here simply because this is a psychedelic forum, when this doesn't really mean much since people are extremely complex in their personalities and even if they might have this particular thing in common, it doesn't mean that they will just get along, and I thought that it was a exaggeration of you to say so and give a false impression to the OP.
Also, this is not the only pace in which he can find people share the same views.
Me correcting you on that doesn't mean anything more than just me doing so. :grin:

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I suppose that would be a matter of mistranslation.
The ones who actually believe LSD users should be punished by violence, imprisonment, or property theft.
Having this misconception translates into escaping the reality of individuals having the right to their own mind.




This is just an over-generalization, and, more than anything, it is very unhealthy to think that the reason you're not being accepted is because the others are the ones with the problem, even if it could be so.

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Clinical professionals are expected to act very specific ways.




Can you back up this claim? Even if some people might have expectations towards one's behavior (not necessarily a therapist), it doesn't mean that they should also act on them.

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If you forget you are acting it can be painful and self distorting.




Care to elaborate?

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Everyone is acting, especially in society, ESPECIALLY in professional society; having awareness of this and knowing that it is acceptable can help you remain comfortable. Everyone is pretending to be who they are.




The fact that we assume different roles at different times and in different circumstances doesn't mean that it's someone else doing all those things and borrowing our bodies. It is still us.

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'Being a good psychologist' is nothing other than dogma if you forget you are actually just a person who has received training and been talked up.




I'm having difficulties in understanding the role of this claim right here, since nobody was talking about anything like that.
Your initial claim was: "You're a psychologist, you should learn to think like the actor society wants you to be; while remembering to act like yourself too."
At which I asked why should he do that; why should he make this differentiation between him the psychologist, and him the person? Aren't those two parts of the same person?
People choose to pretend usually when they think they have something to hide, and this is the result of some deeper personal issues and confusions, when they don't feel alright with who they are. When everything is clear and you understand your own reasons, the need for keeping something fake disappears.
If anything, the pretending scenario that you suggest has much more potential of making him forget that he is actually a person who has received training and been talked up to. :smirk:

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The roles we have in society are designed to entrap us; understand that everyone is entrapped and you may be free even while pretending to be the role.




The only trap that exists is in our minds, not in society or culture.
Nobody forces us on any way, and the feeling of lack of freedom comes only from within, and the same thing goes for freedom. :mushroom2:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9028539 - 10/04/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm trained and degreed in psychology, and I first used Psychedelics 37 years ago.

Firstly, you have a very limited understanding of Christianity if your universe is limited to your town and your own time. Like the earliest Christians who had to practice in the catacombs of Rome, which provided sanctuary for some time until persecution of the Christians reached a peak, Entheogenic Enthusiasts also need to practice in a certain amount of secrecy or be persecuted and prosecuted.

Secondly, your own inner development needs to proceed without need for approval or acceptance. You are confounding one of those Maslowian needs for 'Belonging' with the highest need for 'Self-Actualization.' I recommend that you take some direction, young psychologist, from Abraham Maslow. Self-Actualization, like the ascent up the Hierarchy of Needs, leaves the multitudes back below the 'tree-line.' Not many people (like mountaineers of K2) arrive at the summit. Many fall or give up or freeze up. Same here, and one of the reasons is that the summit is scaled in a pretty solitary manner - very few companions on THIS part of the trip. Lots of solitude and isolation. I'm an introvert - an INTP - but I still have unmet social needs, and I'm old! My youth was no different. I have been given a partner with whom I can relate on high levels. Without her, I would be entirely isolated from communication on matters that transcend the mundane world, except perhaps with my virtual companions in this forum.

Thirdly, Psychedelics are no more a religion than a cup of wine is a religion. Both may be regarded sacramentally and both may be regarded recreationally - sacred and profane. If you do not feel that you 'belong,' as do many introverts in an extroverted culture, that is a normal reaction to the adolescent player-pompom mentality of mainstream American society. Introversion intensified by Psychedelic use is naturally going to remove you even further from the extraverts and significantly from shy and retiring introverts as well. However, developmental steps on Maslow's Hierarchy cannot be skipped, so you may not have settled your 'Belongingness' needs (neither have I btw), so you'd best be sure you have your 'Security' needs met to a certain extent because as you progress towards the summit, your 'Self-Esteem' is going to have to derive from primarily inner qualities and not depend upon social acceptance. My own brother does not trust his 17 year old son to stay with me, lest I influence him in other ways of Being.

Psychologists commit suicide as well. Dentists top the chart, followed by psychiatrists. No one is exempt from existential crisis, loss of meaning, hopelessness and despair, or clinical depression, especially if their spiritual dimension remains dormant in the unconscious. There is clearly a moral-spiritual dimension to suicide from every perspective but the purely existentialist one. So stick around here and do your own sorting of what is 'wheat' and what is 'chaff' in your own journey.

- MtG

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow%27s_hierarchy


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9028931 - 10/04/08 02:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
perhaps a a perception tuning is in order?





Always.

I think we might have been using more conflicting language that the ideas beneath.

I'm only trying to say that;
-he is welcome
-if you focus on the things others are escaping from in a subtle manner without being abrasive they will no longer want to escape your realities, or to consider you different
-in my experience some professional expectations can be compromising to personal attributes (especially politically and spiritually)
-professionals who try to hard to fit their role tend to appear very strained to me; and I have worked to hard to appear professional in the past
-even if society hold values which are defiant to your rights; you can respect the values society requires of you and still respect your own

And yes, society only exists within the mind, as do all of its traps.


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #9031011 - 10/05/08 02:02 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you everyone for the insights. I do feel very welcome here.

Hmmm.. why is everyone assuming I'm so young? I find that interesting.

I saw another psychologist mention maslow's model. I definitly slip in and out of certain steps in his model.... and yes, I do consider it to be an existential crisis I'm having.

I'm not 'whining' and moving isnt always the solution.

Psychedelics aren't a religion, i agree. But they are sacraments.

I know exactly what christianity is and what it isnt, and no I dont live in the 'booneys'.

To the colleague psychologist in the thread, you may not be suprised that it was extremely difficult to read everyone's replies. I even had to skip over some after reading half. It's damn hard to turn the evaluation on yourself..... which brings me to another point. It's funny that everyone assumes a psychologist has 'clients to evaluate' what happened to research and theoreticians?

Someone also brought up that psychologists are supposed to act in very specific ways. There is truth to that. People have expectations of you. One of the misconceptions is that we are perfectly stable mentally. I definitly am not, and neither was Freud (someone mentioned him). Who the hell is?

Another statement for my colleague: I find it harder and harder to look at the field of abnormal psychology, all these people with maladaptive behaviors, but some of them have the most realistic life outlooks. In a well replicated study, it was shown that those who have a better sense of self actually show more signs of unipolar depression, more than expected.  Ugh, what a contradictory world.

Someone else said that I should feel welcome here. That's all I really wanted to hear. Existential crisis, truly. I think it takes a certain person to have one of those. Sorry if you feel i've wasted your time, I just needed a little support. Yes we quacks need it too sometimes.

Thanks


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9031022 - 10/05/08 02:10 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not against the early christians btw, just the modern ones. The modern bible is nothing like the original as a lot of the words were lost in translation from greek/arabic to english. Eg: the word 'virgin' in greek has something around 32 meanings, it just so happened that when they went to english there was one meaning and they doctored stories to fit that meaning.

Please, If you are a christian don't be discouraged by what I say. I should know as a psychologist not to challenge CERTAIN belief systems.

But good point, they had to stay in hiding to practice, much like I do. That really does give me solace.

Hah, just out of curiosity, how old do you think I am? I could be 90 for all you know. My avatar, the fact that I have a girlfriend and not a wife, the way I talk/write on these threads? I'm trying to figure it out.


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9031030 - 10/05/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ah, "im about to recieve my degree" typically you'd associate that with a young person. I get it. How do you know I just havent been in the field with a lesser degree for quite a while?


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9031082 - 10/05/08 02:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Foothill said:
I'm so pleased to have found a spirituality and philosophy thread on here.

Here's a little background, I'm about to receive my degree in psychology, I'm very anti-organized religion, and I'm very introverted.

Most of my views are based in evolutionary psychology. Therefore, I cannot accept organized religion, especially Americanized Christianity, as from an evolutionary psychologists perspective it will die out. I see myself as more of a transcendentalist.





That sums me up!!! I see organized religion as a hurdle which the world will eventually have to jump over...Sometime in the future the human race will have to come together as one to get where we need to go and organized religion will not let that happen.. It is strange to me how so many people can  believe something so blindly!


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9032654 - 10/05/08 02:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Hmmm.. why is everyone assuming I'm so young? I find that interesting.




I don't think that age is relevant and personally I didn't imagine you of any age. However, you seem a little rushed and immature, mostly because you signal some difficulties when it comes to acceptance, so maybe this is why some posters assumed that you are younger.

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I'm not 'whining' and moving isnt always the solution.




You most definitely sounded like you did. If you didn't, I apologize for misunderstanding, even though I am sure I detected you having difficulties to accept that not everybody has the same views with you, that you're surrounded by conservative people, that your dad "lost his  voice of independence", and that people, because of having something against the usage of psychedelics, are stopping you from practicing your religion.
This sounds like whining to me. :shrug:

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Psychedelics aren't a religion, i agree. But they are sacraments.




Really? And you know this how? :jah:

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Someone also brought up that psychologists are supposed to act in very specific ways. There is truth to that. People have expectations of you.




Just because people have expectations of you, it doesn't mean that you should also act on them. The same thing goes for the expectations you have towards the world. :wink:

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One of the misconceptions is that we are perfectly stable mentally. I definitly am not, and neither was Freud (someone mentioned him). Who the hell is?




Who said that there might be people that are totally mentally sane (something impossible to know anyways), and who said that about you, and, most importantly, why did you feel the need to specify this in this manner? :strokebeard:

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I'm not against the early christians btw, just the modern ones. The modern bible is nothing like the original as a lot of the words were lost in translation from greek/arabic to english. Eg: the word 'virgin' in greek has something around 32 meanings, it just so happened that when they went to english there was one meaning and they doctored stories to fit that meaning.




But you can't possibly know all the modern Christian, in order to accurately determine if "like" them or not. :rolleyes:
This is not a personal attack, as you are the one who asked for an opinion about yourself, and I'm giving it to you: you really seem to be having difficulties to accept the differences between you and the others, it is a lack of acceptance which has the potential of making you feel miserable and stopping you from taking a closer and more in depth look at those around you.


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs

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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #9040349 - 10/07/08 01:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Wow, I'm usually the one that's totally accepting of everyone.. homosexuals, eccentrics, etc. Buuuuuuuuuut, now that I think about it, most of the people I feel so accepting of are total left wingers like me - people that are outcasted where I live. So no wonder I'm so accepting of them. And I'm generally not accepting of these right winger fundementalists, at least as much as I am towards these other people. Interesting. I'm glad you pointed that out. I'm not so accepting of EVERYONE afterall.

I am a little rushed I suppose. I guess that can be taken as immature. Another thing to note is that after full days of meticulous scholarly writing, I get on here and lose all drive to even spell correctly, let alone sound intelligent. So that probably contributes.


Apostle 11 refers to organized religion as a hurdle for the world. The bloodiest battles in the world have been over which God is the right God. So I am in accord with that. A lot of civil rights are denied due to organized religion.

But again, like MushroomTrips Teasy Thighs points out, I dont know every modern Christian, and I cant judge. All I know is their book, which I dislike.

Good thing i got into research and theory. I cant even handle myself, let alone a case load hah.

I need to relocate.


thanks for the advice everyone


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Re: A psychologists opinion......... on myself? [Re: Foothill]
    #9042454 - 10/07/08 01:34 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Just a few questions for your amusement and consideration.

If you are opposed to organized religion, why would you date someone who's submerged in such a system?

Why would you let the apparent fact that others don't accept you, bug you? Is the need for validation a healthy activity?

How does it feel to believe you "don't belong here"? And is there a relationship between this and suicide?

>>>>Healthy doses of pornography are good for your psyche.

Is this something you know to be true, or is it simply a belief?

>>>>Someone else said that I should feel welcome here. That's all I really wanted to hear.

If you already feel welcome, would there be a desire to hear it? What is preventing you from feeling welcome?

>>>>I should know as a psychologist not to challenge CERTAIN belief systems.

Perhaps poking crazy people with sticks isn't always the best option, but is there ever a belief system that should not be challenged?

>>>>Wow, I'm usually the one that's totally accepting of everyone

Is there a difference between accepting someone, and accepting the things they do? For instance, is there any need to accept or reject the fact that some guys like to stick their willy in other guys bums? Is there any need to accept or reject the fact that some people have beliefs that cannot be proven?

>>>>I am a little rushed I suppose.

Is there any need to feel rushed?

>>>>I need to relocate.

Is there a difference between need, and want, in this regard?

>>>>Existential crisis

Is this a good thing, or a bad thing? Or neither?

Last question, are you familiar with the heart chakra?


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