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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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I dont think its fair for science to be the standard to which things are held. Our existence is far too subjective and not understood for it to be that way. How is science any different from any other organized religion? It's still worshiping a created god, science itself. We should all just agree that the knowing will never stop, we will constantly be trying to understand this experience and conquer it for the books. Our understanding of this world will constantly change up until the day it ends without our knowledge, i say it's pointless. the great unknown is our only god.


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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We should all just agree that the knowing will never stop,

Most scientists do and for them it's anything but a god, it's just a method that is extremely useful.

I really have no major disagreement with your post. If everyone could admit that they are not sure of what they believe then I would be posting here in a very different vein.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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How is science any different from any other organized religion?


:facepalm:  What a tired old mantra...  If you cant see the difference then you obviously have no idea what science is (or what organized religion is).

Just because you think scientific inquiry is pointless doesnt make it an organized religion.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
We should all just agree that the knowing will never stop,

Most scientists do and for them it's anything but a god, it's just a method that is extremely useful.

I really have no major disagreement with your post. If everyone could admit that they are not sure of what they believe then I would be posting here in a very different vein.


word to that.


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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How is science any different from any other organized religion?


:facepalm:  What a tired old mantra...  If you cant see the difference then you obviously have no idea what science is (or what organized religion is).

Just because you think scientific inquiry is pointless doesnt make it an organized religion.


yeah i dont know what anything is.:lol:
*obviously.


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

Edited by Olympus Mons (10/09/09 09:53 AM)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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If you want to generalize it to that, that's fine.  But that's not what I said.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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you said i obviously dont know what science or organized religion is. if you think that's obvious, than obviously theres something wrong. obviously. you sound like someone who was or is currently attending college, is this correct?


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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College has nothing to do with it.  Religion (organized or otherwise) and Science have very definitions, whether you like it or not.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Yes.

For no specific reason other than everything is way too weird for this to be a metaphysical construct.


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!:cheers:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts, you can't even beleive in spirituality yet alone disbeleive it, it simply is

Theres no physical/spiritual world, only spiritual

I feel theres a threshold to pass through for all beings who wake up to the Self
A Bliss threshold, there is a certain height of bliss, that once you touch, your whole life will be devoted to dissolving into it, until you do dissolve into it....then theres nothing left, Nirvana

:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts,

I disagee completely, I spent maybe 30+ years on the "spiritual" path and in the end I left it and choose something that worked much better for me.

I'm a nihilist/hedonist. Fuck maybe that's spiritual:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: icelandic]
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icelandic said:
Ive never been comfortable with the word 'spiritual', and I always shudder a little when people label themselves as such, there is a strange sort of arrogance that comes with it.



You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything, and if you believe in something beyond human comprehension, you are "unlearned".

I think it is the opposite of arrogance to claim you are spiritual. I guess it all depends how you present yourself. The Christian missionary, attempting to convert the Amazonian tribesman, would obviously be arrogant. But you can also respect others beliefs while at the same time presenting your own. After all, we all are finding our own way up the mountain.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I never said that.:tongue: That was someone elses quote.

And didn't we already establish that people who say science has all the answers are ignorant of what science actually does?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything...


Who claims that?  I see people bitching about that quite often here on the forums but have never in my life seen anybody claim that.  I have interacted with dozens of practicing scientists - none of them ever claimed anything close to that.  I think thats a made up claim that mystics use to equivocate.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
College has nothing to do with it.  Religion (organized or otherwise) and Science have very definitions, whether you like it or not.


que?


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything...


Who claims that?  I see people bitching about that quite often here on the forums but have never in my life seen anybody claim that.  I have interacted with dozens of practicing scientists - none of them ever claimed anything close to that.  I think thats a made up claim that mystics use to equivocate.


lol, what constitutes a practicing scientist? is it anything like a practicing scientologist?


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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A practicing scientist is someone who uses the scientific method of enquirey.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Somebody who actually does it, often for a living.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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I want somebody who doesn't need practice.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I never said that.:tongue: That was someone elses quote.

And didn't we already establish that people who say science has all the answers are ignorant of what science actually does?


Indeed is wasn't your quote, it was icelandics. Maybe you should put the old specs back on :grin:

Anyways... If you don't mind sharing, What did your 30 years of Spiritual practice consist of? I find it disheartening that someone could devote such a large portion of their life and receive no fruits of labor. I've only been practicing meditation for a year and a half and I have had a few "irrational" experiences. I like to think I am not falling off the deep end, and I am on to something. What was your tipping point to the skeptical side?

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