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Poll: Are you Spiritual?
    #11211142 -

I got the idea for this poll in the Guru thread. Someone made the point that as you get older, you lose this sense of believing. I'm curious if there is a correlation between age and having some form of faith.
Do you have some sense of Spirituality?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 10/08/09 09:25 PM until the end of time

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11211177 -

Also:
Have your beliefs radically changed in the past 3 years?
You may choose only one


Votes accepted from 10/08/09 09:30 PM until the end of time

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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3 years, no.  10 years, yes.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
3 years, no.  10 years, yes.


What were you beliefs to begin with and what are they now?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I am 47 and I developed my pro-spiritual beliefs 10 years ago. I never really cared about spirituality before.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
I am 47 and I developed my pro-spiritual beliefs 10 years ago. I never really cared about spirituality before.


That's very interesting, and opposite what I would have thought (My theory was people would never find spirituality if they didn't in their 20s). I'm 21 and was a Atheist up until about age 19/20. Nowadays my reality is a lot more interesting. I think Buddhism, specifically Tibetan Mysticism, is the closest to the "truth". Although I gravitate to a lot of "New Age stuff", such as ETs and channeling, dreams and other divination, and astral projection (induced OBEs) and entheogens.

Edited by c0sm0nautt (10/08/09 10:09 PM)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11211506 -

Is spirituality synonymous with faith? I'm not sure what you mean by 'spiritual.'

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cameron]
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Cameron said:
Is spirituality synonymous with faith? I'm not sure what you mean by 'spiritual.'


It doesn't have to be. I didn't mean for faith to have an religious connotations either. Do you believe there is some underlying structure to the Universe, or are we just accidents here trying to cope with ourselves?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Quote:
Do you believe there is some underlying structure to the Universe, or are we just accidents here trying to cope with ourselves?


The answer is unknowable and clinging to one view point or the other does not effect your daily life nor how you treat others.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11211595 -

Yes, age 18-22.
Within the last 3 years, yes.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11211613 -

Well, I don't have reason to believe in deities, 'architects,' or angels; but there seems to be much more to the Universe than we're able to understand ATM.

I believe that life is priceless and every moment is a gift we didn't ask for :smile:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cameron]
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Quote:
I believe that life is priceless and every moment is a gift we didn't ask for 


Like when you are at the dentist and the drill hits a nerve?

Or like when you come home early and find your girlfriend fucking your best friend?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #11211804 -

Yeah. I don't always enjoy my gifts, but they are what they are :shrug:

(You're cheery tonight)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cameron]
    #11211842 -

Whenever someone presents an idea, I test it at the limits with a hypothetical to see if it still holds up as a universal. Has nothing to do with my mood.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Whenever someone presents an idea, I test it at the limits with a hypothetical to see if it still holds up as a universal. Has nothing to do with my mood.


I think a big trick to life is being positive. No one's life is perfect, but if you approach everything more positive, the positivity will come into your life. It's called the Law of Attraction.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
    #11211952 -

i had a spiritual belief since i was 12

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Whenever someone presents an idea, I test it at the limits with a hypothetical to see if it still holds up as a universal. Has nothing to do with my mood.


I think a big trick to life is being positive. No one's life is perfect, but if you approach everything more positive, the positivity will come into your life. It's called the Law of Attraction.


Of course, your post had nothing to do with my method of inquiry nor is there any such 'Law'. 0 for 2.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Nope it's a real Law. You should try it out, seriously! Next time you stub your toe, laugh about it! The pain goes away so quick. :cool:

I'm asking you to put aside your "method of inquiry" and experience something directly.

Edited by c0sm0nautt (10/08/09 11:27 PM)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
c0sm0nautt said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Whenever someone presents an idea, I test it at the limits with a hypothetical to see if it still holds up as a universal. Has nothing to do with my mood.


I think a big trick to life is being positive. No one's life is perfect, but if you approach everything more positive, the positivity will come into your life. It's called the Law of Attraction.


Of course, your post had nothing to do with my method of inquiry nor is there any such 'Law'. 0 for 2.


How many points do I have? Do we win prizes?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Coherency, cogency and consistency are benchmarks of an ordered mind.

Doublespeak, babbling, and meandering all over are signs of an undisicplined mind and poor thinking/communication skills.

Which type of posts do you think should earn the most points?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Coherency, cogency and consistency are benchmarks of an ordered mind.

Doublespeak, babbling, and meandering all over are signs of an undisicplined mind and poor thinking/communication skills.

Which type of posts do you think should earn the most points?


The only way to win is not to play.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Back to the hermit scenario?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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yes

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Not "spiritual". I don't find it is necessary.

In the last 3 years a lot of change has occurred. I stopped looking for external meaning, stopped believing in the existence of purpose.

If there is meaning and purpose, so be it. Though I doubt in my mere existence I shall discover it. In the mean time, I shall live my life, and hopefully die in a relatively pleasant manner.

:peace:


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Goodbye Shroomery.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I used to be the typical hardcore skeptic atheist like OC and Icelander a few years ago, making fun of spirituaity and telling people they were crazy, denying all their experience because of lack of proof, but after a while I got smarter and decided to put the theory to test, and guess what, my life has turned into a path of non-stop discovery, each day I learn something new about myself or about the workings of the world. I now understand how I had blind faith in science, and this prevented me from actually experimenting with spirituality.

It's very much like science tells us the earth is flat and that is why we are afraid to venture beyond because we would fall off. It's the exact same thing with the mind. Science claims the mind is only in the brain, so people are afraid, or even refuse to go beyond simply because there is no evidence. Imagine Colombus having the same mindset as I used to have, as a hardcore skeptic atheist. He would go. no way I'm going to America, science has proven the earth is flat so we would fall off.

Isn't it amazing, how history keeps repeating itself and we never learn our lesson? Anyway, for those still filled with doubt, don't be afraid of experimenting, you can't fall off your mind.. lol.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Ive never been comfortable with the word 'spiritual', and I always shudder a little when people label themselves as such, there is a strange sort of arrogance that comes with it.

still, i guess i involve myself in activities some would consider spiritual, such as yoga, meditation,entheogens, contemplation, etc. I just view them as things i do along with everything else though.

Diaboleros, you make a good point, a good skeptic is even skeptical of the skeptics, The truly scientific approach seeks reality, whatever that may be

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: icelandic]
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Yes.

For no specific reason other than everything is way too weird for this to be a metaphysical construct.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
I believe that life is priceless and every moment is a gift we didn't ask for 


Like when you are at the dentist and the drill hits a nerve?

Or like when you come home early and find your girlfriend fucking your best friend?



Or being tortured in a concentration camp. Or starving to death before you are two.

Yes life certainly is all wonderful. Especially to those who have really never known struggle or pain or are young and full of folly.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: icelandic]
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Ive never been comfortable with the word 'spiritual', and I always shudder a little when people label themselves as such, there is a strange sort of arrogance that comes with it.



A fucking men.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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my life has turned into a path of non-stop discovery, each day I learn something new about myself or about the workings of the world


I dumped spirituality for the most part and embraced real science and guess what? Your quote applies to me also.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: figmentfragment]
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:heart:
figmentfragment said:
Not "spiritual". I don't find it is necessary.

In the last 3 years a lot of change has occurred. I stopped looking for external meaning, stopped believing in the existence of purpose.

If there is meaning and purpose, so be it. Though I doubt in my mere existence I shall discover it. In the mean time, I shall live my life, and hopefully die in a relatively pleasant manner.

:peace:


The path of wholeness IMO.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Whenever someone presents an idea, I test it at the limits with a hypothetical to see if it still holds up as a universal. Has nothing to do with my mood.


I think a big trick to life is being positive. No one's life is perfect, but if you approach everything more positive, the positivity will come into your life. It's called the Law of Attraction.

"

Generally true. Good basic psychology.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
It's very much like science tells us the earth is flat and that is why we are afraid to venture beyond because we would fall off. It's the exact same thing with the mind. Science claims the mind is only in the brain, so people are afraid, or even refuse to go beyond simply because there is no evidence. Imagine Colombus having the same mindset as I used to have, as a hardcore skeptic atheist. He would go. no way I'm going to America, science has proven the earth is flat so we would fall off.


Maybe you should experiment with discovering what science actually is. Your post is riddled with poor understanding regarding the nature of science. No scientific observation ever stated that the Earth was flat and no scientific observation has ever stated that the mind is only "in" the brain.
Unless, of course, you would like to point me in the direction of such scientific observations/evidence? That would be science. :smirk:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Do you believe there is some underlying structure to the Universe, or are we just accidents here trying to cope with ourselves?


The answer is unknowable and clinging to one view point or the other does not effect your daily life nor how you treat others.


this

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Diaboleros]
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Diaboleros said:
Anyway, for those still filled with doubt, don't be afraid of experimenting, you can't fall off your mind.. lol.


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No reason to pretend that there aren't dangers when it comes to the matter of what meaning an individual ascribes to the nature of the reality around them.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I dumped spirituality for the most part and embraced real science and guess what? Your quote applies to me also.


I'm just curious how you feel about the psychedelic experience?  What does it feel like or mean for you?  Some of those high doses, or breakthrough DMTs just fuck with my head.  Logic tells me its a "hallucination" induced by a perturbation of brain chemistry, but man does it feel more genuine than anything i feel from day to day life.


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L'enfer est plein de bonnes volontés et désirs

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I have been using psychedelics for over 38 years. I place a very high value on them for personal exploration. Smoking DMT while peaking on lots of acid is an amazing thing indeed.

But what does it mean? There's a god? We are god? Your brain is god? The brain is an amazingingly complex structure?  The brain fools us all the time? I have never figured this all out and won't.

However I suspect it feels more "real" because it breaks the mental patterns of a somnambulist and gives a peek into the chaos that form is built upon.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Smoking DMT while peaking on lots of acid is an amazing thing indeed.

But what does it mean? There's a god? We are god? Your brain is god? The brain is an amazingingly complex structure?  The brain fools us all the time? I have never figured this all out and won't.


Do you think there is a meaning that we have yet to discover?

Or do you think this is the cruel paradox of order from chaos?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I'm fairly convinced we will never know what's going on. And that one day the human race will be extinct like the dinos.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Everything is paradoxical, nothing goes uncontradicted.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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How do you accept "I don't know" as the answer with out constantly questioning the point of it all?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Diaboleros said:
Anyway, for those still filled with doubt, don't be afraid of experimenting, you can't fall off your mind.. lol.


Quote:
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?noun
1. Psychiatry. Also called dementia praecox. a severe mental disorder characterized by some, but not necessarily all, of the following features: emotional blunting, intellectual deterioration, social isolation, disorganized speech and behavior, delusions, and hallucinations.


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?noun
5. Psychiatry. a condition of general emotional dejection and withdrawal; sadness greater and more prolonged than that warranted by any objective reason.




No reason to pretend that there aren't dangers when it comes to the matter of what meaning an individual ascribes to the nature of the reality around them.


Dangers huh, according to some prescription of the good life from others... some humans are different than others, if they still keep their wits about them, overall, but display some of those DANGERS (ha!) its not to say they arent enjoying themselves (and perhaps exuding a personal honesty to a certain extent). Those yearnings to universalize what is considered general health can be really tricky when we go about idealizing them. I guess I just get sick of people applying psychiatric shit like its a golden standard for all... yawnnnn

A large number of humanities most interesting people have been atypical

Just sayin.


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Jesus loves you.

Edited by andrewss (10/09/09 08:14 AM)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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I do question it, like most folk I can't help it. However unlike most folk I don't rely on faith or fantasy to get me through the night.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: andrewss]
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Whoops double poast


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Jesus loves you.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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what do you guys mean when you say "real" science?


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Science that looks at things but doesn't claim (as some here say incorrectly) to have final answers or to know what truth is.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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I dumped science and rely on real spirituality.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Cool, what is real spirituality as opposed to the other kind?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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I am not talking to you. You will make up stuff I said anyway. I will save the trouble and let you do all the work.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Is real science just fake spirituality and real spirituality just fake science?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
I am not talking to you.


I think you just did.:lol:

But I wasn't expecting an answer. In your case it was a rhetorical question.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
I dumped science and rely on real spirituality.


What is real spirituality as opposed to the other kind?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Icelander said:
Cool, what is real spirituality as opposed to the other kind?


Oweyervishice said:
What is real spirituality as opposed to the other kind?


Do you guys dress alike too?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Maybe but that does not answer the question you are avoiding.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I dumped spirituality for the most part and embraced real science and guess what? Your quote applies to me also.


I just reversed your statement. It has no real meaning. It is a zen koan.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Oh I get it. Funny:thumbup:

I was pretty  sure there was no such thing as real spirituality but I didn't know you were joking.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Science that looks at things but doesn't claim (as some here say incorrectly) to have final answers or to know what truth is.


i feel as if science is used in argument as if it does have the final answers or is somehow closer to finality than any other methodology.


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Well if some one is doing that then they are ignorant.

Often science is the closest we can come to finality because of the rigorous testing the goes into the scientific method. At lest when it's done right, but science never claims to know final truth.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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What about things or events that lie outside of current scientific understanding? Would you say that they were impossible or unable to be proven scientifically?  does a lack of scientific evidence somehow damage the credibility of such things?


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I close my eyes and seize it
I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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What things or events are you referring to and how would you know if they exist?

I don't know if the unknown would be impossible to prove.:shrug:

Well the scientific method may be the best way we can come to consensus on what may be real so yes it does damage the credability of claims without anything but subjective verification.

However it could well be and is likely that there are things that current science is unable to understand or validate the existence of. That's all well and good until someone claims these things exist without providing evidence. This is how snake oil salemen and fake religious and spiritual leaders etc. sucker the unsuspecting out of their savings and such.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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I dont think its fair for science to be the standard to which things are held. Our existence is far too subjective and not understood for it to be that way. How is science any different from any other organized religion? It's still worshiping a created god, science itself. We should all just agree that the knowing will never stop, we will constantly be trying to understand this experience and conquer it for the books. Our understanding of this world will constantly change up until the day it ends without our knowledge, i say it's pointless. the great unknown is our only god.


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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We should all just agree that the knowing will never stop,

Most scientists do and for them it's anything but a god, it's just a method that is extremely useful.

I really have no major disagreement with your post. If everyone could admit that they are not sure of what they believe then I would be posting here in a very different vein.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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How is science any different from any other organized religion?


:facepalm:  What a tired old mantra...  If you cant see the difference then you obviously have no idea what science is (or what organized religion is).

Just because you think scientific inquiry is pointless doesnt make it an organized religion.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
We should all just agree that the knowing will never stop,

Most scientists do and for them it's anything but a god, it's just a method that is extremely useful.

I really have no major disagreement with your post. If everyone could admit that they are not sure of what they believe then I would be posting here in a very different vein.


word to that.


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I clench my fists and beat it
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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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How is science any different from any other organized religion?


:facepalm:  What a tired old mantra...  If you cant see the difference then you obviously have no idea what science is (or what organized religion is).

Just because you think scientific inquiry is pointless doesnt make it an organized religion.


yeah i dont know what anything is.:lol:
*obviously.


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
I am the beast I worship....

Edited by Olympus Mons (10/09/09 09:53 AM)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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If you want to generalize it to that, that's fine.  But that's not what I said.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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you said i obviously dont know what science or organized religion is. if you think that's obvious, than obviously theres something wrong. obviously. you sound like someone who was or is currently attending college, is this correct?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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College has nothing to do with it.  Religion (organized or otherwise) and Science have very definitions, whether you like it or not.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
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Cognitive_Shift said:
Yes.

For no specific reason other than everything is way too weird for this to be a metaphysical construct.


HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!:cheers:

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts, you can't even beleive in spirituality yet alone disbeleive it, it simply is

Theres no physical/spiritual world, only spiritual

I feel theres a threshold to pass through for all beings who wake up to the Self
A Bliss threshold, there is a certain height of bliss, that once you touch, your whole life will be devoted to dissolving into it, until you do dissolve into it....then theres nothing left, Nirvana

:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts,

I disagee completely, I spent maybe 30+ years on the "spiritual" path and in the end I left it and choose something that worked much better for me.

I'm a nihilist/hedonist. Fuck maybe that's spiritual:lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: icelandic]
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icelandic said:
Ive never been comfortable with the word 'spiritual', and I always shudder a little when people label themselves as such, there is a strange sort of arrogance that comes with it.



You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything, and if you believe in something beyond human comprehension, you are "unlearned".

I think it is the opposite of arrogance to claim you are spiritual. I guess it all depends how you present yourself. The Christian missionary, attempting to convert the Amazonian tribesman, would obviously be arrogant. But you can also respect others beliefs while at the same time presenting your own. After all, we all are finding our own way up the mountain.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I never said that.:tongue: That was someone elses quote.

And didn't we already establish that people who say science has all the answers are ignorant of what science actually does?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything...


Who claims that?  I see people bitching about that quite often here on the forums but have never in my life seen anybody claim that.  I have interacted with dozens of practicing scientists - none of them ever claimed anything close to that.  I think thats a made up claim that mystics use to equivocate.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
College has nothing to do with it.  Religion (organized or otherwise) and Science have very definitions, whether you like it or not.


que?


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Quote:
You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything...


Who claims that?  I see people bitching about that quite often here on the forums but have never in my life seen anybody claim that.  I have interacted with dozens of practicing scientists - none of them ever claimed anything close to that.  I think thats a made up claim that mystics use to equivocate.


lol, what constitutes a practicing scientist? is it anything like a practicing scientologist?


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I clench my fists and beat it
I light my torch and burn it
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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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A practicing scientist is someone who uses the scientific method of enquirey.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Olympus Mons]
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Somebody who actually does it, often for a living.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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I want somebody who doesn't need practice.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I never said that.:tongue: That was someone elses quote.

And didn't we already establish that people who say science has all the answers are ignorant of what science actually does?


Indeed is wasn't your quote, it was icelandics. Maybe you should put the old specs back on :grin:

Anyways... If you don't mind sharing, What did your 30 years of Spiritual practice consist of? I find it disheartening that someone could devote such a large portion of their life and receive no fruits of labor. I've only been practicing meditation for a year and a half and I have had a few "irrational" experiences. I like to think I am not falling off the deep end, and I am on to something. What was your tipping point to the skeptical side?

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts,

I disagee completely, I spent maybe 30+ years on the "spiritual" path and in the end I left it and choose something that worked much better for me.

I'm a nihilist/hedonist. Fuck maybe that's spiritual:lol:


If spirit is all encompassing, how could it not be?

Spiritual righteousness is utter BS because EVERYTHING is spiritual
everything is the Self
from the Buddha under the tree, to the guy mugging old ladies

Only difference is the Buddha sees it, the guy mugging does not


:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Quote:
You see, I find this arrogance more so with people who claim science has the answers to everything...


Who claims that?  I see people bitching about that quite often here on the forums but have never in my life seen anybody claim that.  I have interacted with dozens of practicing scientists - none of them ever claimed anything close to that.  I think thats a made up claim that mystics use to equivocate.


Poor choice of words on my part. What I meant to say is that certain skeptics claim scientific reasons to mystical experiences. "Delusions" or "Hallucinations" are powerful words. I don't think the rational ego mind will ever be able to wrap itself around certain experiences.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts,

I totally agree with this. Once you discover certain things it is really hard to ignore them and go back to ordinary things.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Only difference is the Buddha sees it, the guy mugging does not




That's a great way to put it. Like I said before, we are all finding our own way up the mountain.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Indeed is wasn't your quote, it was icelandics. Maybe you should put the old specs back on



Second time today.:blush: Actually my eyes are getting bad finally at 56 and I need reading glasses which I don't have with me right now.

I meditated for years. Read all the "spiritual" books I could access and did tons of psychedelics.:laugh:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
OrgoneConclusion said:
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I believe that life is priceless and every moment is a gift we didn't ask for 


Like when you are at the dentist and the drill hits a nerve?

Or like when you come home early and find your girlfriend fucking your best friend?



Or being tortured in a concentration camp. Or starving to death before you are two.

Yes life certainly is all wonderful. Especially to those who have really never known struggle or pain or are young and full of folly.


Fuck off

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cameron]
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Well, that's a pretty reasonable reaction.

Edited by c0sm0nautt (10/09/09 01:14 PM)

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Cameron]
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Looks like somebody struck a nerve. :lol:

What he said seems spot on.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
Chronic777 said:
Only difference is the Buddha sees it, the guy mugging does not




That's a great way to put it. Like I said before, we are all finding our own way up the mountain.



The one who is seated at the peak can see which path will lead you there quickest...

:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
The one who is seated at the peak can see which path will lead you there quickest...

:peace:


That takes the challenge out of it.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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If you enjoy the challenge :shrug:

Some simply want to see through the ideas of challenge & mountains & paths...

Of what use is the path if it does not lead to a final destination?

Perhaps we enjoy putting it off & facing imaginary challenegs...

:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
Chronic777 said:
The one who is seated at the peak can see which path will lead you there quickest...

:peace:


That takes the challenge out of it.


Besides, being enlightened to the fast track might just inspire one to get all superhuman and knock 'the one' from his peak seat.:evil:
Gimme that stick.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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Life is about the journey not the destination. If you wanted to be born enlightened why be born at all.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
Looks like somebody struck a nerve. :lol:

What he said seems spot on.


Spot on for who?

I made it clear I didn't mean life was all giggles and joy-joy. I've had a rough upbringing, but I don't let that tinge my world-view.

But of course the older one is, the more miserable one's justified to be, I guess. Holocaust references all around!

I hope I'm not bitter in my old age

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Band of Gypsys said:
Life is about the journey not the destination. If you wanted to be born enlightened why be born at all.


Those who beleive it is about the journey not the destination are speaking from the perspective of the journey, they have yet to reach the destination



:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Quote:
If you wanted to be born enlightened why be born at all.


First off, I am going to guess that this is a question. Secondly, WTF?


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
When spirituality really takes your life, theres no turning back to doubts,

I disagee completely, I spent maybe 30+ years on the "spiritual" path and in the end I left it and choose something that worked much better for me.



:thumbup: Ironically since being less preoccupied by spirituality and meaning, I have been a lot happier. Ever since I stopped *trying* to meditate, and just be, it has been a lot quieter.

Today I shall be going to a place where I exchange time and tasks for currency, then I shall be meeting my girlfriend, and then my Roller derby team to talk about skate maintenance. Yep exciting day, I am pretty stoked about it actually.

What I am NOT going to do is comtemplate the meaning of life...after years of doing just that, I am ok with it.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: figmentfragment]
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figmentfragment said:
Ever since I stopped *trying* to meditate, and just be, it has been a lot quieter.




That 'just being' is meditation

:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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Redefining words on-the-fly, a P&S staple.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
Band of Gypsys said:
Life is about the journey not the destination. If you wanted to be born enlightened why be born at all.


Those who beleive it is about the journey not the destination are speaking from the perspective of the journey, they have yet to reach the destination



:peace:


I would rather work my way through, some pointers don't hurt. I think that learning to dig yourself out of a hole can give you the ability to help others out of the same hole. I believe that we are all doing what we are supposed to be doing. I don't think teleporting to the destination is my path.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Quote:
I believe that we are all doing what we are supposed to be doing.


Like my neighbor stabbing his mom in the neck.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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:thumbup:

:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
I believe that we are all doing what we are supposed to be doing.


Like my neighbor stabbing his mom in the neck.


Grasshopper, you are making progress.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
I believe that we are all doing what we are supposed to be doing.


Like my neighbor stabbing his mom in the neck.



why not?

from the human perspective of course its tragic

as tragic as the male lion eating the cubs it itself made with its own sperm?
female spiders eating male spiders after mating?
or the countless other tragedies that all beings go through?


only from the perspective of the species is it horrific, to outsiders its just nature functioning


:peace:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Chronic7]
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Hamsters eat their babies.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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"A dingo ate my baby!" :whoa:


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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A dingo ate my baby refers to the Azaria Chamberlain disappearance. The incident occurred in Australia in 1980 - a baby disappeared under mysterious circumstances near Uluru (Ayers Rock). The mother, Lindy Chamberlain, camping with her family, claimed to have seen a dingo carrying her baby from their tent, and immortalised the phrase, "The dingo's got my baby!". She was convicted of murdering her baby but later acquitted when new evidence suggested that the baby was, in fact, killed by a dingo.

OC made me more knowledgeable.


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Yes i guess, age 18-22.
Within the last 3 years, yes.

Chronic777, great posts i like reading them.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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OJ Simpson claimed that the family dog stabbed his ex-wife...


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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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That's original.

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Re: Poll: Are you Spiritual? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Quote:
Do you believe there is some underlying structure to the Universe, or are we just accidents here trying to cope with ourselves?


The answer is unknowable and clinging to one view point or the other does not effect your daily life nor how you treat others.


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