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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Smitington said:
ChuangTzu, :whoo: for finding that quote.  The fact is as soon as I answered your question about time dilation and length contraction, you avoided the fact, and only resurfaced when the masses had apparently proclaimed victory over this thread.  You, and everybody else on here, fails to realize that as soon as people couldn't prove me wrong any more, this thread turned into people getting mad and calling names.  The thread was initially clearing up what I meant by dimensions and what I was trying to get acrossed, when it was cleared up, and quantum space and time were seen to be the point of my thread, a few questions were asked about it, some debate, until I provided an answer to how I would treat length contraction and time dilation, which no body has been able to debate.  Also, I provided an example for why quantizing space makes sense by asking the question if distance is a quantity, what is it quantizing.  Nobody was able to answer this question.  This is when the thread turned more and more into personal attacks on me and testing how much other physics and math I know, but the questions and answers I raised before you guys gave up are still up in the air and there is nothing any of you can do to try to repress the fact that you couldn't debate them.  So, ChuangTzu, as you would like to keep this thread going, I say we get back on topic, and continue where we left off.  You asked me a question, I gave you my answer. Explain how my answer is wrong.



Who was getting mad and calling you names?
If you can't tell the difference between attacks on your theory and personal attacks, then that is your problem, still personal attacks... meh... don't whine about it.

I see little correlation between your first post and most of what was said afterwards.

I think you are still working it out for yourself, making a lot up as you go - well... that just how it seems anywho.
which means aside from backing yourself up, you do have a lot of work to do to merely develop a theory.

And yes i realise, Smitington, that have said you would and may consider publishing. But hell, don't be discouraged... even if you come up with a theory remotely cohesive and show its wrong, its a good start - thats science - keep on keeping on, even failures can be seen as a success (unless you're wasting time with pseudo-tits that cannot be shown/tested through any mathmeatical or experimental means - leave that to our ethics philosophers)


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: flangenips]
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You guys asked how I would treat length contraction and time dilation and none of have been able to prove it wrong  I don't need to whip out my dick aka a formula to illustrate what I am saying.  I have made my point clear and nobody has been able to prove it wrong.

And isaac the fact that you don't understand that question is not a thing to be proud of.  Your sheep analogy is sadly unrelated.  I'm glad that you are able to use humor to hide the fact that you are afraid of admitting that you do not understand it.


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Edited by Smitington (10/07/09 07:33 AM)

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: flangenips]
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flangenips said:
Smitington said:
ChuangTzu, :whoo: for finding that quote.  The fact is as soon as I answered your question about time dilation and length contraction, you avoided the fact, and only resurfaced when the masses had apparently proclaimed victory over this thread.  You, and everybody else on here, fails to realize that as soon as people couldn't prove me wrong any more, this thread turned into people getting mad and calling names.  The thread was initially clearing up what I meant by dimensions and what I was trying to get acrossed, when it was cleared up, and quantum space and time were seen to be the point of my thread, a few questions were asked about it, some debate, until I provided an answer to how I would treat length contraction and time dilation, which no body has been able to debate.  Also, I provided an example for why quantizing space makes sense by asking the question if distance is a quantity, what is it quantizing.  Nobody was able to answer this question.  This is when the thread turned more and more into personal attacks on me and testing how much other physics and math I know, but the questions and answers I raised before you guys gave up are still up in the air and there is nothing any of you can do to try to repress the fact that you couldn't debate them.  So, ChuangTzu, as you would like to keep this thread going, I say we get back on topic, and continue where we left off.  You asked me a question, I gave you my answer. Explain how my answer is wrong.



Who was getting mad and calling you names?
If you can't tell the difference between attacks on your theory and personal attacks, then that is your problem, still personal attacks... meh... don't whine about it.

I see little correlation between your first post and most of what was said afterwards.

I think you are still working it out for yourself, making a lot up as you go - well... that just how it seems anywho.
which means aside from backing yourself up, you do have a lot of work to do to merely develop a theory.

And yes i realise, Smitington, that have said you would and may consider publishing. But hell, don't be discouraged... even if you come up with a theory remotely cohesive and show its wrong, its a good start - thats science - keep on keeping on, even failures can be seen as a success (unless you're wasting time with pseudo-tits that cannot be shown/tested through any mathmeatical or experimental means - leave that to our ethics philosophers)



Check my ratings to see who was getting mad.  You guys have it in your head that I should have had my theory completely figured out before bringing it to the shroomery, but all it was was a collection of ideas I wanted feed back on.  Nobody has been able to prove any of the ideas wrong, and I admit that I need to do alot more work to show that my theory can be proven.  Chespirito in my mind is one of the smartest physics minded people on this forum because he is the only one who has been able to debate the existence of space quanta, everybody else just kinda gave up and started uses shit like "you are pseudo scientist", and making personal attacks on my intelligence, and saying stuff like my examples are just garbage, even though a logical minded person can understand them, and science can be explained without posting alot of formulas that go over peoples head.  I use clear examples to discribe what I mean, I am still convinced that isaac doesn't even know what we mean by space quanta, and how the speed c can be explained as one space quanta per one time quanta, because he needs somebody who knows more formulas than him to tell him it is right before he "understands it".  I'll repeat myself, this thread was only here to discuss the posibility of quantum space and time, nothing more, you guys expect it to be some grand theory with all the implications realized.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Smitington said:
I have made my point clear and nobody has been able to prove it wrong.




You certainly haven't been able to prove it right.



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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Smitington said:
Chespirito in my mind is one of the smartest physics minded people on this forum because he is the only one who has been able to debate the existence of Chicken Giblets, everybody else just kinda gave up and started uses shit like "you are pseudo scientist", and making personal attacks on my intelligence, and saying stuff like my examples are just garbage, even though a logical minded person can understand them, and science can be explained without posting alot of formulas that go over peoples head.



fixt.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Tedwilto]
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gratz, and I agree that I haven't been able to prove it right, what we have here is an idea that therefore could explain a lot or just might not explain anything, I tend to think it could explain a lot as there is already evidence for it with the existence of a physical speed limit (c), and the existence of planck units.  The idea of quantum space (which we agree right now cannot be proven or disproven), can answer a lot of questions that we have, and trying to understand the space quanta could have huge implications in quantum physics if it did indeed exist.


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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Tedwilto]
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Tedwilto said:
Smitington said:
Chespirito in my mind is one of the smartest physics minded people on this forum because he is the only one who has been able to debate the existence of Chicken Giblets, everybody else just kinda gave up and started uses shit like "you are pseudo scientist", and making personal attacks on my intelligence, and saying stuff like my examples are just garbage, even though a logical minded person can understand them, and science can be explained without posting alot of formulas that go over peoples head.



fixt.




Ahhh, yes.  That makes more sense now, thx.

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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Smitington said:
flangenips said:
Smitington said:
ChuangTzu, :whoo: for finding that quote.  The fact is as soon as I answered your question about time dilation and length contraction, you avoided the fact, and only resurfaced when the masses had apparently proclaimed victory over this thread.  You, and everybody else on here, fails to realize that as soon as people couldn't prove me wrong any more, this thread turned into people getting mad and calling names.  The thread was initially clearing up what I meant by dimensions and what I was trying to get acrossed, when it was cleared up, and quantum space and time were seen to be the point of my thread, a few questions were asked about it, some debate, until I provided an answer to how I would treat length contraction and time dilation, which no body has been able to debate.  Also, I provided an example for why quantizing space makes sense by asking the question if distance is a quantity, what is it quantizing.  Nobody was able to answer this question.  This is when the thread turned more and more into personal attacks on me and testing how much other physics and math I know, but the questions and answers I raised before you guys gave up are still up in the air and there is nothing any of you can do to try to repress the fact that you couldn't debate them.  So, ChuangTzu, as you would like to keep this thread going, I say we get back on topic, and continue where we left off.  You asked me a question, I gave you my answer. Explain how my answer is wrong.



Who was getting mad and calling you names?
If you can't tell the difference between attacks on your theory and personal attacks, then that is your problem, still personal attacks... meh... don't whine about it.

I see little correlation between your first post and most of what was said afterwards.

I think you are still working it out for yourself, making a lot up as you go - well... that just how it seems anywho.
which means aside from backing yourself up, you do have a lot of work to do to merely develop a theory.

And yes i realise, Smitington, that have said you would and may consider publishing. But hell, don't be discouraged... even if you come up with a theory remotely cohesive and show its wrong, its a good start - thats science - keep on keeping on, even failures can be seen as a success (unless you're wasting time with pseudo-tits that cannot be shown/tested through any mathmeatical or experimental means - leave that to our ethics philosophers)



Check my ratings to see who was getting mad.  You guys have it in your head that I should have had my theory completely figured out before bringing it to the shroomery, but all it was was a collection of ideas I wanted feed back on.  Nobody has been able to prove any of the ideas wrong, and I admit that I need to do alot more work to show that my theory can be proven.  Chespirito in my mind is one of the smartest physics minded people on this forum because he is the only one who has been able to debate the existence of space quanta, everybody else just kinda gave up and started uses shit like "you are pseudo scientist", and making personal attacks on my intelligence, and saying stuff like my examples are just garbage, even though a logical minded person can understand them, and science can be explained without posting alot of formulas that go over peoples head.  I use clear examples to discribe what I mean, I am still convinced that isaac doesn't even know what we mean by space quanta, and how the speed c can be explained as one space quanta per one time quanta, because he needs somebody who knows more formulas than him to tell him it is right before he "understands it".  I'll repeat myself, this thread was only here to discuss the posibility of quantum space and time, nothing more, you guys expect it to be some grand theory with all the implications realized.




Meh, nevermind the ratings, though i don't really see that as them getting mad.

You're theories are logically understood only as a ends of "what if this were true." Which really counts for nothing more than a philosophic exercise without math to support it - that is at least what the string theorists have i think.

I've always thought of pseudo-science being something that claims to be scientific, without proof for or against (yes that is probably also acknowledged by those who call you out) - which is what your theory falls under. If there was proof against, it wouldn't be pseudoscience, but instead a myth claiming to be true in nature - i.e a faith.

While i agree with you science can be explained in lay-mans terms , to a fairly good degree (in a lot of cases not perfectly mind you) ... This is usually done with the forumlaic and mathematical knowledge behind it - so that it can indeed be claimed as scientific, not speculation.


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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce

Edited by flangenips (10/07/09 11:19 PM)

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: Smitington]
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For what it's worth, I appreciate you starting this discussion as it turned out to be the wind that blew the dust off of the cluttered cogitation of theoretical physics in my mind, reminding me how much I love rummaging through that rabbit hole. 

I believe someone already posted a link to the 'Visualizing the 10th dimension' video, but I thought I'd bring attention to the fact that the man who produced that video has a blog site in which he explores the fringes of current scientific theories as well as postulating his own. 

The link:  http://imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com/

A quote from a poll on the site that may interest you...

Quote:
Quantum entanglement's instantaneous effects prove that our "now" exists one planck frame after another not within 4D spacetime, but in the 5th dimension where distant points can be directly connected together without violating the speed of light limit.



:cheers:  to creativity walking hand in hand with humility!

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Re: Let's understand dimensions [Re: DisoRDeR]
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registered 02 and only 19 posts! Thats some serious lurking, welcome!


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