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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: whatdidusay]
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whatdidusay said:
u cant make a mind altering religion out of mind altering substances bc then ur entire religion will be completely redundant bc it will be based off mild altering experiences and "rules and laws" and stuff, and if those laws are born from mind altering experiences, then the laws themselve will be able to be reproduced too much altering them, thus making your church defective. unless you want to have a religion based solely on ingest shrooms and having a good time and thats it?

but that doesnt sound like much of a religion.



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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
whatdidusay said:
u cant make a mind altering religion out of mind altering substances bc then ur entire religion will be completely redundant bc it will be based off mild altering experiences and "rules and laws" and stuff, and if those laws are born from mind altering experiences, then the laws themselve will be able to be reproduced too much altering them, thus making your church defective. unless you want to have a religion based solely on ingest shrooms and having a good time and thats it?

but that doesnt sound like much of a religion.





Amen.

I totally didnt understand that guys post.

"feeling good = not much of a religion"

Hate to break it to ya kid....

But most of what religion is about is "feeling good".

Lots of scared, angry, confused, tired and lonely people in the world without a reason to remain here.

Religon makes some of us feel better about it.

So why wouldnt shrooms be a good candidate for a religious sacrament? The catholics drink wine..... and not only at communion. :tongue2:

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: Shad0w]
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Shad0w said:
The catholics drink wine..... and not only at communion. :tongue2:


The hierarchs also eat Amanita Muscaria by the truck load...

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: Shad0w]
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Shad0w said:
BiG_StroOnZ said:
whatdidusay said:
u cant make a mind altering religion out of mind altering substances bc then ur entire religion will be completely redundant bc it will be based off mild altering experiences and "rules and laws" and stuff, and if those laws are born from mind altering experiences, then the laws themselve will be able to be reproduced too much altering them, thus making your church defective. unless you want to have a religion based solely on ingest shrooms and having a good time and thats it?

but that doesnt sound like much of a religion.





Amen.

I totally didnt understand that guys post.

"feeling good = not much of a religion"

Hate to break it to ya kid....

But most of what religion is about is "feeling good".

Lots of scared, angry, confused, tired and lonely people in the world without a reason to remain here.

Religon makes some of us feel better about it.

So why wouldnt shrooms be a good candidate for a religious sacrament? The catholics drink wine..... and not only at communion. :tongue2:


btw my C key is broken.

it doesnt matter how good ur religion makes u feel, in the end even the most "morally right and truthful" religion an be the cause of thousands of fights wars riots etc.

religion should be outlawed.

the world that most ppl acess on the other side while under the influence of psychedelics is soemthing VAST, HUGE, UNKNOWN, its not just something anybody can go up to and wrote a book about and be right, its not easily deciphered, etc, you cant make a religion about something that is hardly understood. the psyhedelical world is ever changing, 10 ppl could see if 1 way while another 50 or maybe just 1 person sees it entirely different. u cant make a religion based on a million different views. religions are set rules, set guidelines, they are set in stone. a religion is based off a single view point, that all of its followers share, not hundred of thousands that anybody can interpret a million different ways.

some1 could attempt to make a shroom religion, but what  if i decide to make a shroom religion, and then some1 else does, and so on?

whos to say which shroom religion is right or wrong or the "true" shroom religion?

soon arguments will break out, disagreements will break out, ppl will get pissed off, and slowly youll start down the path of anger, leading to fights, maybe even someday riots, possibly wars. etc.

Starting a shroom religion is great dont get me wrong, but in the end, its another outlet for ignorance hatred and misunderstanding to flow through. just one more way to attract negativity.

and also..lastly, religion restricts.

what if in the future i take some shrooms and im kike yea i just wanna chill but then some wise guy comes along and is like yo u needa respet those shrooms u needa do this and that because the great shroom religion says u do.

yea so?

fuck off maybe i dont believe all that mumbo jumbo and just wanna take my shrooms MY way abd be done with it.

u cant say that a shroom religion will leave ppl alone who dont wanna be a part of it. bc sooner or later its going to start to subtlety oppress other shroomers views, other potheads, stoners, acid doers, etc, its gonna try and spread its branches out to other psychedeli ommunities, and not ever1 will agree and then like i said downt he road of anger u all will go, disagreements, arguements, fights, wars.

fuck religion. never did any1 any good.

religion is like ignorance. ignorance is bliss. (but its not bliss for every1 on the outside)


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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: whatdidusay]
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Ok....

I didnt read your whole post.
This argument is already covered in this thread.....
Which you didnt read.

Ignorance MUST be bliss..... so many people are so attracted to it.

"religion should be outlawed"

Because religion is rules........ or can we say "laws"?

And laws cause war? OR is it ONLY religion that cause wars?


"it isnt like someone could write a book"

But they did.

And then a bunch of un-enlightened people read it..... and couldnt understand it... and killed each other over it.

And then we killed the people who wrote the book..... or even if they said the book was good..... or in general blamed the 'One Who Obtains Knowledge From The Other Side' can we call him a shaman? Is that more acceptable in your religiously intolerant world?:grin:

You have a very strict usage of the word "religion" have you ever looked it up on google? It is a QUITE variable word.

You said religion restricts....

But you want to restrict the OPs religion?

Interesting.

Anywayz.... not TRYING to start an argument about this subject in this forum.... And I dont have anything against you.

It just irritates me when people cant see the forest for the trees..............................

Overall, ignore everything in this post you disagree with.

Only thing I am interested in is, do you believe that mushrooms show us a side of reality that is not so apparant to us in a normal waking state? Or is it all just hog-wash.

P.S. You should skim thru this thread and read the OPs posts,  he means like rituals for HIMSELF to practice.... not starting a religion for you or me to join. He has stated this to numerous people who were to busy with their own "religious thought" to be bothered with what he was ACTUALLY saying.....

Isnt most religion founded with an idea of obtaining an Absolute Truth?

Or , is it more into suppressing and ignoring the truth that is already available to each of us. :grin:

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: Shad0w]
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i believe that shrooms, acid, weed, etc depending on the person and their tolerance levels can take the user to various levels of another "realm", not neccessarily all mental just illogical to sober ppl so it seems all mental, allthough everthing to most drug users always makes perfect sense while trippin or high etc, so therefore i belive that there MUST be another unknown world out there. everytime some1 does a drug they access a certain part of this world. certain drugs take u to certain parts, but this world is never ending. its constantly evolving into something else. so the next thing u know smoking weed could take you to the acid side of things while salvia could take you to the morning glory side of things. etc.

i could write a decently long post about all my experiences on weed, but most ppl wouldnt belive me. not to say that im making it all up, but bc my weed tolerance is extremely low, a few good rips and im stoned. ill halucinate all sorts of things. i also got hppd i might add. but anyways what weed does for me could and prolly is entirely different for other ppl, where as weed for them might just them giggle and feel floaty. no visuals.

so i say yes there IS some sort of other...."realm" seems to describe it best that just when we think we understand it, or a part of it, we realize or some1 else realizes we dont understand it at all.


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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: kablamo]
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I'm making an acid religion. We constantly eat pieces of the 'bible'.

When we are thirsty we drink the holy water.


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BACON RANCH, FUCK YEAH

A post about m00nshine

Anonymous #6 said:
Yes, it is. The shine stands for his job title, which is Shoe Shiner, the moon stands for the time he comes out to be a nigger, which is best suited for the negroid camouflage.

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: whatdidusay]
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I have had similar thoughts on psychedelics before.... Like the position of our conciousness/life inside this reality is mobile and evolving.

But, I usually sober up and rationalize myself out of it.....and into a more mundane existance... Natural born skeptic.  :shrug:

Actually, as for the weed thing, you would be suprised, type in 'marijuana trip' or similar phrases into the search function on the forum.....

Apparantly, quite a few people get profound effects from weed... I am so jealous. :sad:

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: Shad0w]
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the profound effects i get from weed are usually pretty awesome, but like i put in another post, sometimes it gets too much and quickly becomes a bad trip where even the must downtempo chilled music can scare the shit outta me. hehe. other than that. its awesome.

i do have this one OEV though that i always get....ive met 1 other dude at a rave once who described the same thing. any1 else get this?

It looks like the entire room is full of this static (like HPPDers get) except the static is magnified and theres a bunch of these lil pink and lime green yellow and black creatures. theyre all over. beadys lil eyes. everywhere. and theyre flying past me. like in that one old school microsoft screensaver with the stars u know? just constant.

i noticed recently that thousands of thousands of letters have started to appear as well mixed in with these lil creatures flying past me. the letter are usually white on black or purple on white...sometimes they forms words and sentences but they disapear too quickly for me to read them.


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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: whatdidusay]
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Read books boy:

"Food of the Gods" by Terence McKenna

"Flesh of the Gods" edited by Peter Furst.

"The Sacred Mushroom & The Cross" by John Marco Allegro

"Plants of the Gods" by Richard Evans Schultes & Albert Hofmann

"The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth" by John Marco Allegro

"Astrotheology & Shamanism Christianity's Pagan Roots" by by Jan Irvin & Andrew Rutajit

"The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity" by J.R. Irvin, Jack Herer, Jan Irvin

"The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The Authoritative Historical Record of Cannabis and the Conspiracy Against Marijuana" by Jack Herer

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: whatdidusay]
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whatdidusay said:Religion should be outlawed






Outlawed? You want MORE of our personal freedom taken away from us?  Nothing should be outlawed short of damage to your physical body and your property!
My right to swing my arm stops at your nose, but not before that.
First: I am the ONLY follower of my religion.  If you think I have a good idea, then copy me, but I don't send out invitations, what I do happens in my private sanctuary.
Second: Probably the only hope for legalization must come from either the medical community or the religious community.  If a pharmaceutical company with enough political muscle (like those evil bastards at pfizer) decides it wants to research psilocybin, you bet your ass they'll have exclusive rights in a week.
Likewise, if a religious organization with enough political muscle (good lawyers and the US Bill of Rights) makes a big enough stink, you'd at least have a chance of seeing something change in our lifetime.

Although I agree that the masters (Buddha, Jesus, Lao Tzu, Chuang Tzu) goal was for us to follow them, in that we should be our own masters the way they were, to realize that we are all "sons and daughters of God", the exact same way that Jesus was, they certainly weren't naive enough to think that the goal could be achieved by more than one out of a thousand of their followers, or even that their message could be understood by those who didn't have Christ Conciousness(new agey term for Buddhahood).

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
Read books boy:

"Food of the Gods" by Terence McKenna

"Flesh of the Gods" edited by Peter Furst.

"The Sacred Mushroom & The Cross" by John Marco Allegro

"Plants of the Gods" by Richard Evans Schultes & Albert Hofmann

"The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth" by John Marco Allegro

"Astrotheology & Shamanism Christianity's Pagan Roots" by by Jan Irvin & Andrew Rutajit

"The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity" by J.R. Irvin, Jack Herer, Jan Irvin

"The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The Authoritative Historical Record of Cannabis and the Conspiracy Against Marijuana" by Jack Herer



You read all these books. But where's the greatest, most untold, unfathomable book to be found in the world? I read the Bible because no one has exhausted its depths. People spend their lives trying to comprehend it. If the Bible isn't on your list, I really don't care what books you've read. The difference is ants and men. So I guess, go play with your ants, man.


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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: Shrazoom]
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Shrazoom said:
BiG_StroOnZ said:
Read books boy:

"Food of the Gods" by Terence McKenna

"Flesh of the Gods" edited by Peter Furst.

"The Sacred Mushroom & The Cross" by John Marco Allegro

"Plants of the Gods" by Richard Evans Schultes & Albert Hofmann

"The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth" by John Marco Allegro

"Astrotheology & Shamanism Christianity's Pagan Roots" by by Jan Irvin & Andrew Rutajit

"The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity" by J.R. Irvin, Jack Herer, Jan Irvin

"The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The Authoritative Historical Record of Cannabis and the Conspiracy Against Marijuana" by Jack Herer



You read all these books. But where's the greatest, most untold, unfathomable book to be found in the world? I read the Bible because no one has exhausted its depths. People spend their lives trying to comprehend it. If the Bible isn't on your list, I really don't care what books you've read. The difference is ants and men. So I guess, go play with your ants, man.


If you actually read the Bible before, you would have came to the conclusion that none of it makes sense without some foreknowledge.

The Bible is a blatant plagarization of; The Tanakh, The Nag Hammadi, The Mazzaroth, and The Dead Sea Scrolls - among others. They predate Christianity and Catholicism by many, many years. Yet, all the stories in these documents/artifacts are nearly identical to the ones found in the Bible.

So please, in the future, keep your uneducated rants to yourself.

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
Shrazoom said:
BiG_StroOnZ said:
Read books boy:

"Food of the Gods" by Terence McKenna

"Flesh of the Gods" edited by Peter Furst.

"The Sacred Mushroom & The Cross" by John Marco Allegro

"Plants of the Gods" by Richard Evans Schultes & Albert Hofmann

"The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth" by John Marco Allegro

"Astrotheology & Shamanism Christianity's Pagan Roots" by by Jan Irvin & Andrew Rutajit

"The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity" by J.R. Irvin, Jack Herer, Jan Irvin

"The Emperor Wears No Clothes: The Authoritative Historical Record of Cannabis and the Conspiracy Against Marijuana" by Jack Herer



You read all these books. But where's the greatest, most untold, unfathomable book to be found in the world? I read the Bible because no one has exhausted its depths. People spend their lives trying to comprehend it. If the Bible isn't on your list, I really don't care what books you've read. The difference is ants and men. So I guess, go play with your ants, man.


If you actually read the Bible before, you would have came to the conclusion that none of it makes sense without some foreknowledge.

The Bible is a blatant plagarization of; The Tanakh, The Nag Hammadi, The Mazzaroth, and The Dead Sea Scrolls - among others. They predate Christianity and Catholicism by many, many years. Yet, all the stories in these documents/artifacts are nearly identical to the ones found in the Bible.

So please, in the future, keep your uneducated rants to yourself.


Not to mention the Story of the Buddha, the Upanishads, Native American myths, Mesoamerican myths, the Greek/Roman myths, and the Norse myths.  All contain stories IDENTICAL to the ones in the Bible.  Its specacularly meta in that sense.


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We have not even to risk the adventure alone, for the heroes of all time have gone before us — the labyrinth is thoroughly known. We have only to follow the thread of the hero path, and where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence. And where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world.

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: kablamo]
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kablamo said:
Quote:
whatdidusay said:Religion should be outlawed







My right to swing my arm stops at your nose, but not before that.
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No  - that's not true either - your right to swing your arms stops several feet from me.  Give it a try out in public sometime.  Wont end well.  Freedom of expression is not absolute - Its also why you aren't allowed to yell "fire" in a theater.


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We have not even to risk the adventure alone, for the heroes of all time have gone before us — the labyrinth is thoroughly known. We have only to follow the thread of the hero path, and where we had thought to find an abomination, we shall find a god; where we had thought to slay another, we shall slay ourselves; where we had thought to travel outward, we shall come to the center of our own existence. And where we had thought to be alone, we shall be with all the world.

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: Radar]
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Radar said:
kablamo said:
Quote:
whatdidusay said:Religion should be outlawed







My right to swing my arm stops at your nose, but not before that.
.



No  - that's not true either - your right to swing your arms stops several feet from me.  Give it a try out in public sometime.  Wont end well.  Freedom of expression is not absolute - Its also why you aren't allowed to yell "fire" in a theater.


Well, it was just a metaphor, anyway, yelling "fire" in a theater causes trampling deaths, i.e., clear bodily harm to person or property.
So where do you draw the line? Am I allowed to wear a shroomery T-shirt?  Such a message clearly displays illegal drugs in a positive light, which in turn could give a passing 12 year old the idea that drugs aren't bad and won't ruin your life and make you into a junkie robber.  If you limit one form of expression, you can limit the other.
What about the godhatesfags people protesting soldiers funerals?  That's an example of someone who i want to shut the fuck up, but it really strikes a sour note deep inside me to think I'm silencing someone's expression, regardless of what it is!
  I'll add more to this later as I'm late for work!

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: kablamo]
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um actually various peoples and churches in the USA have been trying for years to get things like weed and ayahuasca legalized for the fact that its a part of their religion. even though it SHOULD be legal....do u rly think our fucked up government is ever gonna give a shit? NO

i cant remember hsi exact named but usa's current drug czar one said "the word legalize is NOT in my vocabulary" . NORML had made a post on this.

drugs will never be legal until the common man steps forward to take office and we do away this highly ridiculous democrat/republican bullshit. even the liberals cant seem to do the right thing. fuck just thinking about it i wonder if the common man even has enough sense to understand what freedom is and what freedom is supposed to be and what kind of freedom we have. cuz we sure as hell dont have freedom. not true freedom. we have restricted freedom, which is yes an oxymoron. a testament of our nations governments stupidity.


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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: whatdidusay]
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whatdidusay said:
um actually various peoples and churches in the USA have been trying for years to get things like weed and ayahuasca legalized for the fact that its a part of their religion. even though it SHOULD be legal....do u rly think our fucked up government is ever gonna give a shit? NO

i cant remember hsi exact named but usa's current drug czar one said "the word legalize is NOT in my vocabulary" . NORML had made a post on this.

drugs will never be legal until the common man steps forward to take office and we do away this highly ridiculous democrat/republican bullshit. even the liberals cant seem to do the right thing. fuck just thinking about it i wonder if the common man even has enough sense to understand what freedom is and what freedom is supposed to be and what kind of freedom we have. cuz we sure as hell dont have freedom. not true freedom. we have restricted freedom, which is yes an oxymoron. a testament of our nations governments stupidity.


:facepalm: Read the friggin' thread already.


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Man woke up in a world he did not understand and that is why he tries to interpret it - Carl Jung

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: solstice]
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I dont know if he did read the whole thing or not...

But that one was an actual response to kablamos post up a  bit on this same page....

He makes a mention of drugs being legalized thru the courts or pfizer.

EDIT : LoL, maybe you should read the friggin' thread already. :facepalm:

:grin:
:tongue2:


Edited by Shad0w (09/14/09 05:11 PM)

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Re: I am making a mushroom religion. [Re: solstice]
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blah i did. but have u not just read what kablamo said ?

"Second: Probably the only hope for legalization must come from either the medical community or the religious community.  If a pharmaceutical company with enough political muscle (like those evil bastards at pfizer) decides it wants to research psilocybin, you bet your ass they'll have exclusive rights in a week.
Likewise, if a religious organization with enough political muscle (good lawyers and the US Bill of Rights) makes a big enough stink, you'd at least have a chance of seeing something change in our lifetime."

yea great ive read the thread about how the OP wants this to be his own religion. fantastic. but when u go off and spout out what ive quoted from him above, he obviously has an intention of some sort to spread his lil shroom religion. if he didnt, then WHY THE FUCK EVEN MAKE A POST ABOUT SUCH A CONTROVERSIAL SUBJECT?


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