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Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico
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Tapalpa, Jalisco, Mexico - 8/22/09

Copelandia cyanescens













Boletus sp.

Fried this one up, and it was Dinner in Tapalpa









Growing snails



The greenhouse.  Pine seedlings and oak logs for growing shiitake.



Oak logs and Cactu's dog Hippie







Mexican food being cooked in Tapalpa







Squash flowers. 



The mushroom growing facility that is under construction



Mexicans building the mushroom lab



Future offices and warehouse



These will be fruiting rooms



A construction worker ponders his next move, unaware that he is being photographed (the camera has 20x optical zoom)



The rest of these pictures are from Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico.  It started to rain as we found these, and that made it a bit more difficult to photograph them.  After we got them it started to rain really hard and we explored downstream, taking a crazy trail deep into a jungle canyon.  Nothing interesting was there except for a few tropical mushrooms.  The Psilocybes grow only at disturbed intersections between the jungle habitat and the road habitat.  It started to rain really hard and Cactu dropped all the mushroom samples into the water but that didn't make them much wetter than they already were.

The first four seem to be from section Zapotecorum due to the scaly stem, but the nipple is unusual.  I guess the rest are the same species. Found next to a stream in an area that is disturbed by a nearby gravel road and artificial pond near the border of Colima and Jalisco.



















Pins:











An older one:





















This one has a smoother stem and an olive cap, and is probably the same species.





Habitat shots:





Where the are scaly stemmed derrumbes, there are often brown floccose stemmed derrumbes.



















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This one was really old and big:












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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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dude those pics look so freakin sweet

nice camara

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
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Great post once again, Alan! Would you care to enlighten us on your purposes for collecting samples? Is this part of a research project? What is it intended to achieve? You're making me curious!

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: koraks]
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Get in my belly, wee samples!:fatbastard:

Seriously though, awesome finds and great shots, Alan. I think Cactu's project is killer and I wish the best of luck to him!:mushroom2:

:eek: Amazing!


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Mr. Mushrooms said:
I will confess something that should be quite obvious, CC.  I love mushrooms, i.e. fungi.  I really do.  I am talking about a strong feeling, i.e. emotion, for them.  I think they are beautiful.  I even dream of them.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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The older specimens pileus looks very similar to P.aucklandii. Great sneaky shots of the workers too. :tongue2:

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: karode13]
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Viewing these is very visceral, I really dig the greenhouse photos. Thanks Alan. I work w/ some young men from Oaxaca and Chiapas Mexico, and also from San Marcos Guatemala.


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Ain't talkin', just walkin'Through the world mysterious and vague
Heart burnin', still yearnin' Walkin' through the cities of the plague. Well, the whole world is filled with speculation
The whole wide world which people say is round They will tear your mind away from contemplation They will jump on your misfortune when you're down Ain't talkin', just walkin'
Eatin' hog eyed grease in a hog eyed town. Heart burnin', still yearnin' Some day you'll be glad to have me around. B.Dylan

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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great pics alan
impressive copes


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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: koraks]
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Would you care to enlighten us on your purposes for collecting samples?



Smaller samples are used for microscopy and larger amounts are used for bioremediation.  It is interesting that active Psilocybes are extremely rare in nature, and are almost always found near human destruction.  Many times we hike for miles, only to find them growing right next to the car. 

The active Psilocybes appear to be able to fix the destruction that humans cause to the earth.  They do this in two ways.  One way is to eat woody debris in disturbed areas and turn them back into healthy soil again, especially in landslide areas.  The other way is by changing the minds of people who eat them, making them much more aware of the importance of nature and taking good care of the earth.  Is it a coincidence that these mushrooms turn up in disturbed areas?  Its almost like someone planned it this way.  Its also interesting that governments attempt to mitigate the Psilocybe issue mainly by sending people to prison.  What is their role in all of this?

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Is this part of a research project?



An informal one. 

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What is it intended to achieve? You're making me curious!



1) Unfuck the earths disturbed areas.
2) Teach people about mushrooms by publishing freely licensed high quality pictures, micrographs, and in the non-distant future comparing rDNA sequences.

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The older specimens pileus looks very similar to P.aucklandii.



P. aucklandii is also in section Zapotecorum.

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Great sneaky shots of the workers too. :tongue2:



I wish I had more.  When I woke up a week ago it was saturday morning, pay day.  There were 30 mexicans hanging around the courtyard of the house I was staying in.  There were about ten tables along the side, all covered completely with large clusters of blue staining mushrooms.  The boss man arrived to pay the workers, and he put the big stack of money under a paper that was weighed down with Psilocybe zapotecorum.  The workers lined up and he would look at the balance sheet, then reach under the mushrooms and pull out the correct amount of money.  I didn't want to tip them off to what was happening by taking pictures, but now I wish I had snapped a few.  It may have been the most ironic thing I have ever seen.

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I work w/ some young men from Oaxaca and Chiapas Mexico.



I hope to be able to visit Oaxaca soon.  I have some friends there and there is a fungus fair!

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I wish I had more.  When I woke up a week ago it was saturday morning, pay day.  There were 30 mexicans hanging around the courtyard of the house I was staying in.  There were about ten tables along the side, all covered completely with large clusters of blue staining mushrooms.  The boss man arrived to pay the workers, and he put the big stack of money under a paper that was weighed down with Psilocybe zapotecorum.  The workers lined up and he would look at the balance sheet, then reach under the mushrooms and pull out the correct amount of money.  I didn't want to tip them off to what was happening by taking pictures, but now I wish I had snapped a few.  It may have been the most ironic thing I have ever seen.



thats sneaky

Edited by Alan Rockefeller (09/06/09 05:16 PM)

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: HaRo On KoRn]
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Not really sneaky.  The mushrooms were just sitting there, and no one knew what they were.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I really enjoyed this thread. Your points were heard.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
The active Psilocybes appear to be able to fix the destruction that humans cause to the earth.  They do this in two ways.  One way is to eat woody debris in disturbed areas and turn them back into healthy soil again, especially in landslide areas.  The other way is by changing the minds of people who eat them, making them much more aware of the importance of nature and taking good care of the earth.  Is it a coincidence that these mushrooms turn up in disturbed areas?  Its almost like someone planned it this way.  Its also interesting that governments attempt to mitigate the Psilocybe issue mainly by sending people to prison.  What is their role in all of this?




Almost uncomfortable to think about isn't it. :ashamed:

Amazing thread Alan and wonderful photos. This thread is inspiring me to cook up some oysters outdoors tonight.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: georgeM]
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Nice post Alan and great pics


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"Would you tell me please which way I ought to walk from here?" "That depends a good deal on where you want to get to." said the Cat. "I don't much care where-" said Alice.  "Then it doesn't matter which way to walk." said the Cat.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Fuma]
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Alan,
Thanks for the pics.  I always look forward to seeing your México collections. 

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Where the are scaly stemmed derrumbes, there are often brown floccose stemmed derrumbes.



  Both types are found less than a foot apart. 
Smoth
http://[image]Scalyhttp://http://www.shroomery.org/forums/thumbs/08-35/985445132-thumb_IMG_3597.jpg[/image]Nipple

You may recall thes images from last year, hope to post this year's soon...

Adios,
Gwerito


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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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It is interesting that active Psilocybes are extremely rare in nature, and are almost always found near human destruction.  Many times we hike for miles, only to find them growing right next to the car.




I have also found this to be the case here in Australia and in New Zealand. They are great colonizers of disturbed areas, be it through logging, landscaping or after natural phenomena ie. slides, storms.


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P. aucklandii is also in section Zapotecorum.



That makes sense. Thanks.



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I wish I had more.  When I woke up a week ago it was saturday morning, pay day.  There were 30 mexicans hanging around the courtyard of the house I was staying in.  There were about ten tables along the side, all covered completely with large clusters of blue staining mushrooms.  The boss man arrived to pay the workers, and he put the big stack of money under a paper that was weighed down with Psilocybe zapotecorum.  The workers lined up and he would look at the balance sheet, then reach under the mushrooms and pull out the correct amount of money.  I didn't want to tip them off to what was happening by taking pictures, but now I wish I had snapped a few.  It may have been the most ironic thing I have ever seen.




Irony at its best. Loving it!

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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Would you care to enlighten us on your purposes for collecting samples?



Smaller samples are used for microscopy and larger amounts are used for bioremediation.  It is interesting that active Psilocybes are extremely rare in nature, and are almost always found near human destruction.  Many times we hike for miles, only to find them growing right next to the car. 

The active Psilocybes appear to be able to fix the destruction that humans cause to the earth.  They do this in two ways.  One way is to eat woody debris in disturbed areas and turn them back into healthy soil again, especially in landslide areas.  The other way is by changing the minds of people who eat them, making them much more aware of the importance of nature and taking good care of the earth.  Is it a coincidence that these mushrooms turn up in disturbed areas?  Its almost like someone planned it this way.  Its also interesting that governments attempt to mitigate the Psilocybe issue mainly by sending people to prison.  What is their role in all of this?




A line of reasoning similar to those of McKenna. I'm hesitant to attach meaning to the notion that psychoactive mushrooms appear to grow especially near settlements. I believe that there are four factors that should be taken into consideration when musing about the significance of this:
- People inhabit practically the entire planet and many species therefore as a matter of course have their outposts near our settlements
- The chances of people finding psychoactive mushrooms near settlements is higher than finding them in deserted areas because we simply move about a lot more near our homes
- Their psychoactivity may be a reason why some species often occur near our homes; as we seek out contact with them, we take their spores near our homes and introduce them to our habitats. Again, reasoning akin to McKenna's, although I wouldn't go as far as postulating a possible human/mushroom co-evolutionary theory.
- We don't know about the psychoactive species that we have not yet discovered, or of which we haven't established their psychoactivity, in less inhabited areas (or even all around us), so our thinking is automatically biased towards the species we're familiar with.

Nevertheless, the facts are certainly there:
- fungi do play a role in food chains, recycling and soil condition; they are an inalienable part of the global ecosystem
- certain psychoactive mushrooms occur in abundance, also in the vicinity of human settlements
- as a result, some humans experience mushrooms as useful for whatever reasons
- government agencies that lock up mushroom aficionados are nazis.
Based on these facts, some theorizing can occur, but personally, I am a strong believer in coincidence, chaos and contradictory complexity.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: koraks]
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A line of reasoning similar to those of McKenna.



No!   

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I'm hesitant to attach meaning to the notion that psychoactive mushrooms appear to grow especially near settlements.



But they do grow near settlements, they do fix disturbed areas and they do cause people to eat them to be more environmentally conscious.  My theory is based in facts, unlike McKenna's theories. 

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- People inhabit practically the entire planet and many species therefore as a matter of course have their outposts near our settlements

- The chances of people finding psychoactive mushrooms near settlements is higher than finding them in deserted areas because we simply move about a lot more near our homes



Active Psilocybes really do almost always only grow near human disturbance.  Many long hikes through the middle of nowhere have confirmed this.  Mushroom hunters who only hunt in the woods always say "Psilocybes?  Never seen them."

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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"Psilocybes?  Never seen them." :rofl2:

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I'm going to try to feel out the area and walk one or two community lawns later today. Maybe just maybe I'll see an Active or two.

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Re: Tapalpa and Tonala, Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
But they do grow near settlements, they do fix disturbed areas and they do cause people to eat them to be more environmentally conscious.  My theory is based in facts, unlike McKenna's theories. 



True, and that's a notable difference!

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Active Psilocybes really do almost always only grow near human disturbance.  Many long hikes through the middle of nowhere have confirmed this.  Mushroom hunters who only hunt in the woods always say "Psilocybes?  Never seen them."



On the other hand, experienced woodland hunters are undoubtedly familiar with active gymnopilus species or perhaps even wood-loving psilocybes. But we strike a noteworthy issue here: you speak of active psilocybes, while I refer to psychoactive mushrooms in general. If we limit to actives in the psilocybe genus, I cannot but agree with you.

Now, the interesting thing is: what does this mean, if anything? Although there is indeed an interesting coincidence, I'm still hesitant to attach meaning to the frequent occurrence of active psilocybes near human settlements and infrastructure. A correlation does not necessarily imply a causal relationship, although it's not out of the question either. I'm interested in any attempts towards formulating a well-founded theory regarding such a causal relationship.

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