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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico
    #7575013 - 10/29/07 11:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)


































Couldn't find any cystidia in these, so I guess they are Galerina or something. Macroscopically they are a good match for Inocybe calamistrata.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7575039 - 10/29/07 11:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Woah, what a spikey looking mushroom!!

Looks like that snail is enjoying the attention!

Hmmm... Don't suppose you know the spore colour?


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: CureCat]
    #7575095 - 10/30/07 12:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Woah, what a spikey looking mushroom!!

Its squamulose with recurved scales, becoming radially fibrillose at the margin.

> Hmmm... Don't suppose you know the spore colour?

We didn't print it but I am confident that it is some shade of brown.

It has no germ pore, completely smooth walls, and the thickest walls I have seen on spores - Maybe 1.5 microns! A thick wall and dark pigments help spores survive for a long time in the sunlight.



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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7575280 - 10/30/07 01:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that's a beautiful mushroom...definitely just set #4 as my desktop

fascinating postsssss.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7575364 - 10/30/07 03:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Intense! :mushroom2:

Thanks for the post :cool:


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: faceofbear]
    #7575400 - 10/30/07 04:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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faceofbear said:
that's a beautiful mushroom...definitely just set #4 as my desktop

fascinating postsssss.




I used number 12 :grin:.

I hope you get the ID your looking for.

Thanks for the desktop photo Alan.
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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: bort]
    #7575981 - 10/30/07 10:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

>> that's a beautiful mushroom...definitely just set #4 as my desktop

> Thanks for the desktop photo Alan.

The pictures I posted are 1024x768, they load quick but aren't quite desktop quality.

If you want to use these for a desktop, get the full resolution images (3600 x 2700) here:

http://mushroomobserver.org/4508

If you click on an image you get the larger one (800x600), click on that again to get the full size one that would be suitable even for a large desktop.

> I hope you get the ID your looking for.

I will, however no one will give it to me, I'll need to make it myself.

I looked again - sure enough, the cystidia are MIA. When I put a real Inocybe under the scope, huge cystidia are everywhere, they look like bowling pins.

My friend brought over a real Inocybe calamistrata sample, the microscopic features were quite different.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7576420 - 10/30/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

odd mushroom, nice post :smile:


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7576450 - 10/30/07 12:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Great stuff Alan!!!

I'm curious as to the vegetation surrounding these collections. Were there legumes in the area by any chance?

Regarding spores, you mentioned thick wall, what about the general shape of the spore. Were they somewhat elongated? (sorry, I didn't wait for the images to load completely... dial up)... are you certain measurements were taken from mature spores?

What about fragrance?

Do you have access to academic search engines?


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7576466 - 10/30/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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>> that's a beautiful mushroom...definitely just set #4 as my desktop

> Thanks for the desktop photo Alan.

The pictures I posted are 1024x768, they load quick but aren't quite desktop quality.

If you want to use these for a desktop, get the full resolution images (3600 x 2700) here:

http://mushroomobserver.org/4508






thanks!
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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: faceofbear]
    #7576564 - 10/30/07 12:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I'm curious as to the vegetation surrounding these collections. Were there legumes in the area by any chance?

They were near pine and oak and the areas were legume free.

> are you certain measurements were taken from mature spores?

No, they were still stuck to the gill edge.

> What about fragrance?

Smelled vaguely inocybe like, but nothing really memorable. Maybe Cactu can describe it better. Bluing Inocybe # 3, which I have not posted yet, smells a little like fish but not in a bad way.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7576670 - 10/30/07 01:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Sometimes it can be a difficult to make out certain microscopic features in a static image... when changing the depth of focus through the spores did you notice any nodules?

Aren't pleurocystidia generally absent in Inocybe calamistrata?


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: georgeM]
    #7578191 - 10/30/07 07:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Sometimes it can be a difficult to make out certain microscopic features in a static image... when changing the depth of focus through the spores did you notice any nodules?

No, the spores are very smooth.

> Aren't pleurocystidia generally absent in Inocybe calamistrata?

Yes, it just has marginal cells.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7578327 - 10/30/07 08:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm..... What about something like Tricholomopsis formosa (=Cortinellus formosus)??

http://www.plant.uga.edu/mycology-herbarium/GAbasidios.htm
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http://www.rogersmushrooms.com/gallery/DisplayBlock~bid~6882.asp


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: CureCat]
    #7578558 - 10/30/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> What about something like Tricholomopsis formosa

Its not one of those white spored things.

It really has a Cortinariaceae look to it. Mushrooms to genus 6 seems to put it in Pholiota or more likely Galerina.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7578733 - 10/30/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, I know. It looks more likely brown spored, but I don't want to over look any possibilities, when leads are short elsewhere.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: CureCat]
    #7580251 - 10/31/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Brainiac]
    #7586947 - 11/02/07 09:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

curecat said:

Woah, what a spikey looking mushroom!!

Looks like that snail is enjoying the attention!

Hmmm... Don't suppose you know the spore colour?

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tha´s a spikey little mushroom...

that snail was incredible the 2 tentacles next to the mouth where moving all the time i don´t recall to have see this structures in others snails,......maybe genus achantina sp......

the spore color is brown , not rusty brown or yellow brown, just brown maybe dark brown or just a obscure brown not blackish at all ..

Alanrockefeller said:
It has no germ pore, completely smooth walls, and the thickest walls I have seen on spores - Maybe 1.5 microns! A thick wall and dark pigments help spores survive for a long time in the sunlight.

walls are really thick,this may be the method this mushrooms use to survive since always come in the end of the season , beginning in the month of September and ending in that same month all the time or first days of October, SO to survive the dry period that come next and cold times,may have those thick walls , ....thank you .

alanrocketfeller said:

I looked again - sure enough, the cystidia are MIA. When I put a real Inocybe under the scope, huge cystidia are everywhere, they look like bowling pins.

My friend brought over a real Inocybe calamistrata sample, the microscopic features were quite different.

. ohh great you are doing a good job we have to get this one .the cystidia are what sorry, the calamystrata pictures seeing different even in macroscopic appearance,this picture don´t resemble the calamystrata pictures of my book of mushrooms of Costa Rica i show you , just to point out many mushrooms with this look are in other places , and maybe we have to join those people or they have to join us .

What about fragrance? georgeM said:
well i have 4 years picking this little ones always in the same places year after year , but i nave notice this are very small to smell then good, but when i found many the relation with the fishy smell was with me, this don´t smell fishy as inocybe #3, but is almost there , for me is no pleasant odor .....

georgeM said , I'm curious as to the vegetation surrounding these collections. Were there legumes in the area by any chance?

what you mean by tress , or any legume , in the woods of pine and oaks in Mexico , the are some leguminosae in the wood sometime but this indicate that a disturbance in the habitat have take place, the habitat of this little mushrooms are next to oaks trees in mosses and areas without vegetation , really minute fellow , you have to have a good eye to Find then , but sometimes can grow more ,depend in the condition of soil, i guess, the oak they prefer .are the ones that have small leaves around here , maybe quercus coccinea.
there where not legumes around.why you ask for it ?


hello Alan i was out sorry to no respond more sooner, after all you have see of this mushroom, what else can you said,i guess more in the galerina genus, since you point out i been trying to find pictures and description of galerina stricglii or something like that sorry i just wake up , don´t have to much time to be in the computer ,
i have seen many xpert in galerina in the British museum maybe we can contact a person in a university of in this place to study this mushrooms , if needed , also how we can make analysis of this one, any help?...only if you can help please..i know..

well i was positive to be inocybe, but this may be more fun to find out ..galerina is more likely ,we can cultivate this one more easy if is not inocybe , i was thinking it was micorrisic, but if is galerina, don´t think so , , live cultures can solve more mystery's ,i have to clean the room ¡.......


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7587736 - 11/02/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hm, interesting finds guys. I've never seen anything quite like it before.


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Re: Bluing Inocybe # 2 - Jalisco, Mexico [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #7588046 - 11/02/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i really hope you will ..........


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