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Hydroponic Pereskiopsis
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I've been working on a hydro peresk project for the last couple of months, and I'm documenting it online at http://pereskiopsis.org
It's kind of disorganized right now, and I know nothing about web development.
Ultimately, its emphasis will be on grafting slow growing cacti onto hydroponic Pereskiopsis.

Also, those who haven't seen the work of the original, and best Pereskiopsis ranger, should check out peyotepinks blog at http://pereskiopsisforestryservice.blogspot.com


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: runrun]
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I have seen the other site before!

Yours seems to be setup real well, congrats :thumbup:

Nice pictures too!


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: Cactusdan]
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Cool site and pics man! i liek the photos very much, thanks for sharing :omgawesome:
5 :mushroom2: 4 U :yesnod:


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: dstark]
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that looks like super fun.  i LOVE seeing people experiment with totally way over kill ideas lol.  props.



ps. it totally looks like you grow weed :wink:


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: kadakuda]
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Thanks for the words of encouragement

kadakuda said:
that looks like super fun.  i LOVE seeing people experiment with totally way over kill ideas lol.  props.



ps. it totally looks like you grow weed :wink:



No, I don't grow weed, although my neighbors probably think I do. :tongue:


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: runrun]
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That was a good read man, that set up looks top notch too. :thumbup:

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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: karode13]
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don't worry, we believe you  :awesome:


i am curious thought, is there really much difference you see in soil vs hydro grows?  assuming both are fed similar and lights are the same...they grow scions so fast in dirt, its hard to imagine much faster....and if they are faster, what kind of problems are you running into with slow growing scions (like astrophytum), if any?  i see problems with soil grows on "slower" stocks with the scions, mostly splitting.

keep it coming, interesting stuff :smile:


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: runrun]
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Wow, what can i say?

Thats an amazing amount of dedication (both building the systems and ensuring they run under surveilance/automation) that is more than applausable!

I would really also like to see how a graft would respond on a plant that is under hydroponic nutrient uptake! By the way could you comment on the growth and morphology differences you might have noticed when comparing a soil grown and an aeroponically grown pereskiopsis? I would expect  the aeroponically grown ones to grow faster ,and  i would also wonder if their cell vacuoles are bigger (seen under a microscope).

Hmmm i wonder if in such a system experiments could be carried out of the effect of electric currents on plant growth or if such an application would require more rigid (and expensive) pH control of the liquid medium due to electrolysis...

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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: Psiloman]
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Pereskiopsis under led lighting.  Right now, we're running the lights 24 hours a day despite the fact that we've learned that cacti are CAM plants and require a dark period (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crassulacean_acid_metabolism).  These plants have been on 24hours of light for the past 2 weeks.  They are slightly larger than some plants we've been running at 14 hours a day.  We suspect running the lights 18 hours a day would produce growth equal or better than seen under 24 hour lighting.
Eventually, we'd like to try a cycle with 3 or 4 hours of light followed by 15 minutes of darkness.  During the dark period, we will increase available CO2 with bottled gas and a solenoid.  This will be automated by use of a programmable logic controller.



I actually pitched this same idea @ nostromo. (experimenting with lighting cycle) Pereskiopsis STEMS are CAM plants, the leaves use C3, I suspect 18/6 or perhaps 20/4 would be best. That way you can hopefully get the best of both worlds.


This stuff is WAY over the top! Youve invested quite the time, energy, and cash in this, so the least I can do is give you 5 :mushroom2:'s.


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: runrun]
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it's a bit overkill for growing pereskiopsis, considering that it grows like a weed! lol
but props to you for trying this and i'll look forward to seeing how the grafting goes :yesnod:


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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kadakuda said:
don't worry, we believe you  :awesome:


i am curious thought, is there really much difference you see in soil vs hydro grows?  assuming both are fed similar and lights are the same...they grow scions so fast in dirt, its hard to imagine much faster....and if they are faster, what kind of problems are you running into with slow growing scions (like astrophytum), if any?  i see problems with soil grows on "slower" stocks with the scions, mostly splitting.

keep it coming, interesting stuff :smile:



I haven't seen a difference in growth vs soil.  However, I really haven't been at it long enough to really dial everything in.  Over time, I'll be able to determine optimal ph and nutrient levels.. then we should see an increase on growth rate over soil.

I haven't grafted anything yet, just have some seedlings started. If I was having problems with certain species splitting, I'd probably try running the lights for less hours a day, and reducing the nutes, as the plant shouldn't be using as much.

Methadone said:
I actually pitched this same idea @ nostromo. (experimenting with lighting cycle) Pereskiopsis STEMS are CAM plants, the leaves use C3, I suspect 18/6 or perhaps 20/4 would be best. That way you can hopefully get the best of both worlds.






That makes sense.  I will probably continue to run this batch on 24 hour lighting.  I'm wondering if I'll see any difference in leaf growth... but I'm pretty sure 18/6 would be best.

After that, I'll probably experiment with a shorter day.  I could program the logic controller to run the lights for a 12/3 cycle, for example. 

Psiloman said:
I would really also like to see how a graft would respond on a plant that is under hydroponic nutrient uptake! By the way could you comment on the growth and morphology differences you might have noticed when comparing a soil grown and an aeroponically grown pereskiopsis? I would expect  the aeroponically grown ones to grow faster ,and  i would also wonder if their cell vacuoles are bigger (seen under a microscope).





Haven't  been at it long enough to know.  For that matter, the root systems aren't even really large enough to take advantage of any aeroponic action yet..

Dr. uarewotueat said:
it's a bit overkill for growing pereskiopsis, considering that it grows like a weed! lol
but props to you for trying this and i'll look forward to seeing how the grafting goes :yesnod:



It's DEFINITELY overkill. :evil:  I just like hydro projects and cacti.
But it's actually easier for me than soil.. I have to water my soil pereskiopsis 2-3 times a week, and really only have to tend to the hydro once a week.  It's also way cleaner than soil..


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Re: Hydroponic Pereskiopsis [Re: runrun]
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i just have mine outside and they get watered when mother nature decides :smirk:


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