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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: scottprotege]
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scottprotege said:
Of course, I have done nearly 40 acid trips in my life, while she is new to tripping.

The only thing I can attribute this to would be a tolerance for psychedelics.


I've done around 1000 acid trips. 5 grams is what I usually take for a level 4 trip. If I want to go to level 5 I take 8 grams. :smile:

:peace:


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"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: AlexP]
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wtf? 1000???? If you did it once a week, that would take you 20 years. Are you fuckin serious? At twice a week thats still 10 straight years of tripping. And how the hell do you keep count at such a huge number? Well, bravo for still having coherent thoughts my friend. Shit, I thought I was experienced with LSD, you are a TRUE psychonaut.

My GT clone gets people though, gets them good. Most of my homies eat around 3g or so for a level 3-4 trip.

I even had a friend nearly lose his shit on 1.5g. Just goes to show you the wide variance between different people, even on the same mushie that has been proven to be a fairly potent one.

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: scottprotege]
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Every flush of psilocybe mushrooms, and often individual mushrooms within a flush will have a different potency, often by a factor of ten or more.  You could probably use that same print or syringe again and get stellar results.  That's just how the cookie crumbles.
RR


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: scottprotege]
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:rofl:

I've been tripping for 7 years but for 3 years I'd take LSD almost everyday. I now take mushrooms every 2 days. I know that shouldn't be done... whatever. I like to trip and write. That's home for me.

I counted them to the hundreds but then I stopped a couple of years ago. Anywhere close to 1000 be it below or above. I'm a lot less experient with mushrooms. For now. :laugh:

What I also lost count was the number of times I took MDMA.

People talk about psychedelics being harmful for the brain and what not... the most harmful drug I've ever taken was alcohol. I had many near death experiences with alcohol. A lot more real than with psychedelics. Walking in the metro line is the closest it gets IMO.

:peace:


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"To feel today what one felt yesterday isn't to feel - it's to remember today what was felt yesterday, to be today's living corpse of what yesterday was lived and lost." Fernando Pessoa

"When one creates phantoms for oneself, one puts vampires into the world, and one must nourish these children of a voluntary nightmare with one's blood, one's life, one's intelligence, and one's reason, without ever satisfying them." Eliphas Levi

"The joy of life consists in the exercise of one's energies, continual growth, constant change, the enjoyment of every new experience. To stop means simply to die. The eternal mistake of mankind is to set up an attainable ideal." Aleister Crowley

"The Universe is an artistic catharsis." Artifex Infinitum

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Every flush of psilocybe mushrooms, and often individual mushrooms within a flush will have a different potency, often by a factor of ten or more.  You could probably use that same print or syringe again and get stellar results.  That's just how the cookie crumbles.
RR



is there any way of regulating this??? cloning?

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: boogertool]
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boogertool said:
RogerRabbit said:
Every flush of psilocybe mushrooms, and often individual mushrooms within a flush will have a different potency, often by a factor of ten or more.  You could probably use that same print or syringe again and get stellar results.  That's just how the cookie crumbles.
RR



is there any way of regulating this??? cloning?


As of yet, no.

Figure it out and you'll be famous. :goodluck:


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: BrandNewbie]
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Actually, if you clone for the qualities you want, you have a good chance of getting them.  Even better is to isolate a pure single sector strain on agar, and then the variance between mushrooms will be very little.

With multispore inoculation, not all strains that emerge are compatible, so often you get several strains fruiting from various parts of the substrate, each with their own characteristics.  If you isolate a single sector strain and keep it in the refrigerator on master culture slants, you can grow the same strain from now on.
RR


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: RogerRabbit]
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It seems as though the original question has been answered, so please forgive my threadjacking. RR, the pic in my avatar is of my GT clone. The original tissue was taken over 8 months ago and I have no master. I love this clone for its absolutly amazing consistency in size and potency. I have read that you say do not take a clone of a clone, but I hate to see this guy go. Is there anything I can do to keep the legacy alive?

I am all out of LC and grain for this as I just made 6 monotubs with my last bags.

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: scottprotege]
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This is such a good question that maybe you should start a new post.


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Actually, if you clone for the qualities you want, you have a good chance of getting them.  Even better is to isolate a pure single sector strain on agar, and then the variance between mushrooms will be very little.

With multispore inoculation, not all strains that emerge are compatible, so often you get several strains fruiting from various parts of the substrate, each with their own characteristics.  If you isolate a single sector strain and keep it in the refrigerator on master culture slants, you can grow the same strain from now on.
RR


THANK YOU SIR, MUCH OBLIGED FOR THE INFO!

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: boogertool]
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boogertool said:
IMO shrooms dont have the visuals like acid..... it takes a hefty dose to get visuals. I Have had strong mind trips to where i can't even text message on my phone..... 15 minutes to write a quick message



i assure you if you eat enough the ceiling will drip onto your face. As for heat destroying potency, i dont buy into that. we used to exclusively trip on tea we made and that was the strongest trips ive ever had.

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Actually, if you clone for the qualities you want, you have a good chance of getting them.


I was unaware that potency was a quality that could be clone manipulated. Awesome information. TY!


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: bumpn]
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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: scottprotege]
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scottprotege said:
It seems as though the original question has been answered, so please forgive my threadjacking. RR, the pic in my avatar is of my GT clone. The original tissue was taken over 8 months ago and I have no master. I love this clone for its absolutly amazing consistency in size and potency. I have read that you say do not take a clone of a clone, but I hate to see this guy go. Is there anything I can do to keep the legacy alive?

I am all out of LC and grain for this as I just made 6 monotubs with my last bags.


Is that 8 months of cell growth or has it been stored for a while. If it has been colonizing, then cloned, then in LC, then colonizing, then spawned etc for 8 months you have gone over the "safety margin" but if you really like the strain you have you can always make a master and try it just in case. If from your master you manage to get a full cycle with no problems you will be able to grow from that master as long as you want.


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: inkmaggot]
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inkmaggot said:
boogertool said:
IMO shrooms dont have the visuals like acid..... it takes a hefty dose to get visuals. I Have had strong mind trips to where i can't even text message on my phone..... 15 minutes to write a quick message



i assure you if you eat enough the ceiling will drip onto your face. As for heat destroying potency, i dont buy into that. we used to exclusively trip on tea we made and that was the strongest trips ive ever had.


I  imagine it would drip.... i like to keep a reasonable amount of controll over my body though.... i have no desire to "wig the fuck out".... the lower doses test me as it is.

i dont know alot about tea..... i heard too long at the hot temps and it can degrade.... but i dont know firsthand. the way i understand its boiled fairly quick if done right

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: BrandNewbie]
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BrandNewbie said:
RogerRabbit said:
Actually, if you clone for the qualities you want, you have a good chance of getting them.


I was unaware that potency was a quality that could be clone manipulated. Awesome information. TY!


You can but you would need to test each isolate for potency.

Ideally you would isolate 8 or 10 strong sectors from a few agar plates and make a master from each. Then you would grow them separately and test their potency.

This is the main problem as ideally you'd be objective and use lab equipment to analyze them but since I can't imagine it is a good idea to send cube samples to a lab you either have to do the testing at home or use a less reliable method of using yourself or a friend to test each isolate.


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: Nibin]
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Lets see...The clone was taken by poking a needle through the middle of the stipe of my victim, injected into an lc. Once the lc was fully colonized I continued to pull from it to start new bags ( I realize now I should have stored the LC in a fridge and pulled a drop from it to start more LC) At one point the lc was left at room temp for almost 3 months. I figured it was dead but I tried it anyways and voila. I used that old LC to inject a new jar of LC (discarding the old one which had been sitting), which I used to inoculate two rounds of about 12 bags of grain. And then it was gone.

So how would you suggest I make this new master? By cloning once more into lc? I suppose I will try that and see if I can get a full cycle. If so I will keep my master LC this time as I am not setup for agar/slant work at the moment. LC seems my best bet for long term storage.

I did consider taking another clone using the same method and injecting it into a jar of grain, then using the grain LC tek.  I hear that grain LC last longer since you are using just water and not a nutrient rich liquid (I know, I know, there are some nutrients in water)

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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: Nibin]
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Got it. Good info.

So I just have to search Craig's List for a good deal on a Mass Spectrometer...


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: scottprotege]
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Well, if you can't face making agar atm and you don't have access to any grain as you used it all, the way that would get you a master with the less cell divisions would be a clone into a small LC. Then work your way up from there.

GL


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Re: Potency when growing question [Re: prismism]
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Mostly a mind thing...? Bad roons or not enough. 4 to 7 grams and have stunning visuals good as 1/2 hit of window pane, much better than any of the junk acid of today. Eat more and see god..! :smile:

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