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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: deCypher]
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" I see no better place to discuss psychology than alongsides philosophy; after all, the mind-body problem and other philosophical problems with consciousness relate heavily to cognitive psychology and other psychological disciplines. "

If we want to talk about the philosophical underpinnings of psych, fine, but adding it as an emphasis to this forum is just nonsensical.  We have like 4 other forums that can handle psychological talk, science forum (biological), mysticism (jung & freud), Well being (clinical $ abnormal) and PE (abnormal)

Again, why does it need to be here especially?  Your reasons would be good if there werent already made irrelevant by SO MANY OTHER venues to post psych shit.

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: MushroomTrip]
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"And those interested in having a rational, pleasant discussion will ignore your posts. "

Yes, they will ignore your posts.  Whats wrong with pulling the free will card?  Oh wait, you don't care about other people's arguments that contradict your tightly held beliefs, i.e:

And those interested in having a rational, pleasant discussion will ignore your posts.

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
Look, if it is science then we have a science forum for it.



It is a science, and it belongs right here for two very good reasons. First off, its directly concerning the nature of the human mind and of human behavior, which are topics that are discussed in this forum very, very often. It only makes sense to affirm that fact with adding it to the title. Not only that, but these discussions are oftentimes simultaneously philosophical and psychological discussions.  The name makes sense and it is receiving a lot of interest because it actually describes a large part of what this forum already involves. Luckily, not very many people haven't been considering your sense of where discussions should take place, since they discuss a lot of things regarding psychology in this forum. :grin:


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
Again, why does it need to be here especially?  Your reasons would be good if there werent already made irrelevant by SO MANY OTHER venues to post psych shit.


Because I think discussion of psychological theories fits in best right alongside to discussion of philosophy.  Mysticism is not the same thing as Psychology; are we talking about spirits and direct mystical revelation here or about solid theoretical entities such as thoughts and minds?  Science & Technology certainly is welcome to hardcore discussion of research findings if they want, but I see no downside to including such a fascinating and philosophically-overtoned subject to our forum.

xFrockx said:
Please don't tarnish this forum with such bullshit or I will personally make sure that no psychology threads make it more than two feet off the ground before I start pulling the denial of free will card.


By all means, do.  That's the beauty of mixing psychology with philosophy.  (And BTW you did know that psychology first spawned from philosophy, right?)


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
Your reasons would be good if there werent already made irrelevant by SO MANY OTHER venues to post psych shit.


They are discussed in other manners in different places. So what, there's a lot of cross-over between forums.
Anyways, other people have opinions on the matter as well, and we'll just have to wait and see what everyone as a whole is interested in seeing. :shrug:


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
Whats wrong with pulling the free will card?  Oh wait, you don't care about other people's arguments that contradict your tightly held beliefs, i.e:


There's nothing wrong with it, it's just stupid the way you made it sound. :lol:


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: deCypher]
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"By all means, do.  That's the beauty of mixing psychology with philosophy.  (And BTW you did know that psychology first spawned from philosophy, right?)"

My majors:  Psychology and philosophy

"Because I think discussion of psychological theories fits in best right alongside to discussion of philosophy.  Mysticism is not the same thing as Psychology; are we talking about spirits and direct mystical revelation here or about solid theoretical entities such as thoughts and minds?  Science & Technology certainly is welcome to hardcore discussion of research findings if they want, but I see no downside to including such a fascinating and philosophically-overtoned subject to our forum.


"solid theoretical entities such as thoughts and minds?"

Since when are the "solid"?  You have some reading to do. 

You know what happens when you start to debate psychology in philosophical terms?  You get no where.  To your credit the same thing happens in philosophy, but the difference is that psych relies on belief, not logic.  If you want to argue beliefs, take it to M&P.  There is no philosophical right answer to the question "Is psych theory x better than psych theory y"  Because we haven't even solved the mind body problem yet.  If we can do it here, on this forum, then sure, we'd have a foundation to talk psych, but because we don't and won't, it will only add more bullshit to this forum.  We might as well keep spirituality in there for christ sakes.

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Is that just a flame?  Grow up.

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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It is only a honest opinion.
The fact that you perceived it as a "flame" could be because you need to grow up. :sherlock:


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
"solid theoretical entities such as thoughts and minds?"

Since when are the "solid"?  You have some reading to do.


Denying the existence of thoughts and other minds gets old fast if you want to do real, pragmatic philosophy or psychology.

xFrockx said:
You know what happens when you start to debate psychology in philosophical terms?  You get no where.  To your credit the same thing happens in philosophy, but the difference is that psych relies on belief, not logic.  If you want to argue beliefs, take it to M&P.


Actually, you wouldn't take it to M&P because M&P focuses on discussion rather than argumentative debate.  This forum is designed for criticizing and attacking beliefs; since we already discuss psychology in here I think it best to explicitly make this clear in the forum title.

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xFrockx said: There is no philosophical right answer to the question "Is psych theory x better than psych theory y"  Because we haven't even solved the mind body problem yet.  If we can do it here, on this forum, then sure, we'd have a foundation to talk psych, but because we don't and won't, it will only add more bullshit to this forum.


Ah, so because we haven't solved any major philosophical problems and probably will not, we should just disallow all discussion of such 'bullshit'.  :rolleyes:

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xFrockx said:  We might as well keep spirituality in there for christ sakes.


Spirituality is not conducive to the argumentative process.  Psychology is.


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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"Spirituality is not conducive to the argumentative process.  Psychology is. "

Why?  Give me one good reason, and saying "its theory" just adds credence to the fact it should be in the science forum.

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
"Spirituality is not conducive to the argumentative process.  Psychology is. "

Why?  Give me one good reason, and saying "its theory" just adds credence to the fact it should be in the science forum.


If a psychological theory is internally contradictory, or if the inferences that may be drawn from it clash with philosophy of mind theories, the argumentative process can certainly help shed light on these issues.

Again, it's not as if we're just arbitrarily broadening the scope of the forum.  Psychological theories and beliefs are discussed all the time around here in a natural extension from philosophy of mind talk; this is a simple, clarifying name change rather than a cataclysmic one.


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Because calling things dumb is the pinnacle of rational debate.  Opinions are like assholes, and it looks like you've streched yours out pretty far.

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: deCypher]
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Alright, I understand, I just hope it doesn't change the flavor around here.  I've come to enjoy it.  Please don't hacksaw spirituality threads though, I think they have their place in philosophical debate.  Just look at Thomas Aquinas, Descartes, and Berkeley.  What would philosophy be without spiritual arguments?

As a side note:
"Denying the existence of thoughts and other minds gets old fast if you want to do real, pragmatic philosophy or psychology."

I think thoughts are about the same as flowers, fire, and anything else.

Edited by xFrockx (05/08/09 07:41 PM)

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
Alright, I understand, I just hope it doesn't change the flavor around here.  I've come to enjoy it.  Please don't hacksaw spirituality threads though, I think they have their place in philosophical debate.  Just look at Thomas Aquinas, Descartes, and Berkeley.  What would philosophy be without spiritual arguments?


I don't intend to; philosophy after all by definition encompasses ontology which deals with what exists (Gods, spirits, what have you.)


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: deCypher]
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Ah good, nice arguing with you.


I still hope more people vote for the philosophy name though, I think I put up a good argument for why its just pointless to broaden an already expansive topic with subjects that can be and are already included elsewhere.

Edited by xFrockx (05/08/09 10:52 PM)

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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So which forum will be more akin to topic of unobservable spirituality?

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
So which forum will be more akin to topic of unobservable spirituality?


Well as I envision it you can introduce spiritual topics to both this forum and M&P, but expect here to have your personal observations and beliefs be critically attacked.


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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: deCypher]
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Fuck, at least someone gets it. Simple right?

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Re: Final Name Change Poll! (we swear) [Re: xFrockx]
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xFrockx said:
"By all means, do.  That's the beauty of mixing psychology with philosophy.  (And BTW you did know that psychology first spawned from philosophy, right?)"

My majors:  Psychology and philosophy

"Because I think discussion of psychological theories fits in best right alongside to discussion of philosophy.  Mysticism is not the same thing as Psychology; are we talking about spirits and direct mystical revelation here or about solid theoretical entities such as thoughts and minds?  Science & Technology certainly is welcome to hardcore discussion of research findings if they want, but I see no downside to including such a fascinating and philosophically-overtoned subject to our forum.


"solid theoretical entities such as thoughts and minds?"

Since when are the "solid"?  You have some reading to do. 

You know what happens when you start to debate psychology in philosophical terms?  You get no where.  To your credit the same thing happens in philosophy, but the difference is that psych relies on belief, not logic.  If you want to argue beliefs, take it to M&P.  There is no philosophical right answer to the question "Is psych theory x better than psych theory y"  Because we haven't even solved the mind body problem yet.  If we can do it here, on this forum, then sure, we'd have a foundation to talk psych, but because we don't and won't, it will only add more bullshit to this forum.  We might as well keep spirituality in there for christ sakes.


Talking sense around here will only draw more fire.  Act like a loon and they'll leave you alone.

That's what I do.  :crazy2:

Seriously though, I think you make a great addition to the forum.  Your arguments are sound most of the time.

Which reminds me: what the fuck are you doing HERE?!?!

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