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The Nature of Relationship
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In your eyes isit best to go looking for relationships or to simply accept graciously what comes your way?

I've noticed that the most fulfilling relationships in life are the ones that life brings about spontaniously & not the ones i plan or strive to acheive.

At times its almost like life is throwing up constant possibilities in my face saying "come on, here it is, come get me!" but i simply don't have the drive to 'go get it', yet at other times out of nowhere something will just happen inside & compell me to go & start a new relationship with someone.

Whats your view on this?

If you look too hard then everything runs away, if you dont look at all...


:peace:


No particular relationship is eternal as all things pass, yet the nature of relationship itself is eternal as there will always be multiplicity & the enjoyment of the bliss of unicity.

In many relationships comes a timeless moment of eternal love where we say "i will love you forever", in that moment its actually the same one saying to itself, we are always one, forever  :heart:


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Edited by Chronic7 (03/09/09 03:39 PM)

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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Good post except IMO for the eternal bit, nothing is eternal including mankind. Perhaps the Tao is eternal but i don't think the Tao cares.


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Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Grapefruit]
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To say the Tao does not care is to give it quality, what is eternal can have no quality, if it did have quality then it could not be eternal, as whatever has quality will eventually lose that quality with time...can the infinite lose or gain anything?


Grapefruit said:
nothing is eternal



:peace:


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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
In your eyes isit best to go looking for relationships or to simply accept graciously what comes your way?

I've noticed that the most fulfilling relationships in life are the ones that life brings about spontaneously & not the ones i plan or strive to achieve.

At times its almost like life is throwing up constant possibilities in my face saying "come on, here it is, come get me!" but i simply don't have the drive to 'go get it', yet at other times out of nowhere something will just happen inside & compel me to go & start a new relationship with someone.

Whats your view on this?

If you look too hard then everything runs away, if you dint look at all...


:peace:


No particular relationship is eternal as all things pass, yet the nature of relationship itself is eternal as there will always be multiplicity & the enjoyment of the bliss of unicity.

In many relationships comes a timeless moment of eternal love where we say "i will love you forever", in that moment its actually the same one saying to itself, we are always one, forever  :heart:



Interesting question. I often think we choose partners who fit into our dysfunctional ways of relating as much as to our strengths. So one might be choosing based on whatever makes us feel safe or looks most like what we believe is good.

So just maybe the person who just shows up might be slightly more advantageous. I'm not sure there is a way to really know.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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Saying the tao does not care is not giving it a quality. It's saying it doesn't have a certain quality. A more accurate thing would be to say; it does not care, or anything else. In other words it is without quality. Aren't you the one giving it a quality by saying it is eternal?

I don't know whether the Tao is eternal, infact i know nothing. Everything we see is coloured in subjectivity. This is unescapable.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Grapefruit]
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I don't know whether the Tao is eternal, infact i know nothing. Everything we see is coloured in subjectivity. This is unescapable.

Ah yes, a little honesty is a rare commodity these days.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Grapefruit]
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Grapefruit said:
Aren't you the one giving it a quality by saying it is eternal?



What quality does eternity have?

:peace:


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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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foreverness


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Icelander]
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what quality does foreverness have?

if everything that appears will one day disappear, then straight away you can say that everything you have ever seen or will see is not eternal, so what is eternal must have no quality

if the drive is there to discover that eternal principle then priority will only be given to that, not to what you see & only what you see can be prooven


:peace:


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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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eternity has the quality of being eternal. If you can't grok that then you aren't thinking IMO.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Icelander]
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yes but what is eternal?
what quality does that which is eternal actually have?

you can think about it & say its timeless etc...but is this the experience of the eternal or just thinking about it?

only experience will do, otherwise its utterly pointless!
otherwise its just an imaginary concept in your head

'the tao than can be spoken is not the eternal tao'

for me infinity is not a concept

:peace:


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Edited by Chronic7 (03/09/09 05:17 PM)

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
for me infinity is not a concept



lol wtf :lol:


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On the scale of wibble to wobble...

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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The body and the consciousness have very different motivations.  Love is expressed by the consciousness through the physical vehicle.  The body interprets this as sexuality. A lot of people chase after whatever the body wants to boink...  I think of it as learning how to walk the dog.  Once you have "it" under control you shouldn't have to keep it on a leash anymore.

When dealing with the "relationship" thing it is healthy to not allow your dick to determine your actions.  That being said, it is important to use it "harmoniously".

What I mean to say is that my love for my girl is definitely there when I am tripping on Ayahuasca; in spite of the fact that my penis is then "shut off".

If you love her with and without the involvement of your genitalia, then it's for real!


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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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Chronic777 said:
yes but what is eternal?
what quality does that which is eternal actually have?



Nature is eternal.
Nature is perfectly balanced.


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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

DC at:  Oneness

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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"Unicity" is a new one for me; that's a nice bit of vocabulary expansion.

I maintain no semblance of it with anyone on a regular basis, so I suppose the latter of the two choices is the one I make, though perhaps I have the tendency to push the possibilities away with aloofness or non-contribution, retracted observation.

Aloneness seems more freeing, relationships more transitory and less attached, focused on information, analysis, silent observation, more conceptual and abstract maybe, but it does produce a certain flavor of ecstasy as everything else streams by, leaving me in bodiless awe of it all.

That said, I'm sure relationships are valuable and worth exploring. Beware of the desperate, though.


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No debe haber separación, no puede haber definición.

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Chronic7]
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for me infinity is not a concept


Hard to argue with something as ridiculous as that.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
foreverness


How is that diamond salesman gig working out for you?


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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Here's some mathematics to think about.

Lets say X is all of the knowledge that can possibly be known.

Lets say Y is all of the knowledge human beings have acquired.

Therefore, an accurate example of how much we know would be Y/X.

Now, there is a problem with Y and X in this sense. We have a good idea what Y is, but X is infinite. Therefore, what does Y amount to?

Its a limit. As Y grows, X remains infinite. No matter how much we know, it will never exceed 0.


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[quote]We don't need anyone to teach us sorcery, because there is really nothing to learn. What we need is a teacher to convince us that there is incalculable power at our fingertips. What a strange paradox! Every warrior on the path of knowledge thinks, at one time or another, that he's learning sorcery, but all he's doing is allowing himself to be convinced of the power hidden in his being, and that he can reach it. [/quote]-Carlos Casteneda

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: justamonkey]
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justamonkey said:
Now, there is a problem with Y and X in this sense. We have a good idea what Y is, but X is infinite. Therefore, what does Y amount to?


I don't believe that X is infinite, at least not regarding scientific knowledge. If you know how everything works from the planck scale to the universe as a whole, then you know pretty much all there is to know.

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Re: The Nature of Relationship [Re: Zanthius]
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Zanthius said:
If you know how everything works from the planck scale to the universe as a whole, then you know pretty much all there is to know.



so you are saying that by knowing what point A and point B is, you know what the entire journey from point A to point B is going entail?


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