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Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse
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Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Collapse

by Martin D. Weiss, Ph.D. 03-02-09

http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/begin...collapse-29932



Just as the Obama Administration launches a triple tirade of new initiatives — a record stimulus package, a bigger round of rescues, and the largest deficit financing of all time …

Just as the Treasury Department doubles down on its bailouts for sinking giants — Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, AIG, General Motors, Chrysler, and Citigroup …

And precisely when the government has raised hopes for a recovery in 2010 …

The panic phase of this collapse is about to begin.

The panic phase is an acceleration in the economic decline … a chain reaction of debt explosions … a free-fall in the financial markets … and a series of rude awakenings that will accelerate the decline even further:

Rude Awakening #1
In a Collapse, Washington’s Economic
Forecasting Models Are Worthless.

Economists rely on computer models designed to forecast gradual, continuous, linear changes, such as economic growth.

But these models are incapable of handling sudden, discontinuous, structural changes, such as housing market collapses, mortgage meltdowns, megabank failures, credit market shutdowns, or stock market crashes.

Already, as explained by the New York Times on Saturday,

“The fortunes of the American economy have grown so alarming and the pace of the decline so swift that economists are now straining to describe where events are headed, dusting off a word that has not been indulged since the 1940s: depression.”

They’re a bit late. Three months ago, in “Depression, Deflation and Your Survival,” we warned you that we were sinking into America’s Second Great Depression. And today, that’s precisely what’s happening.

But with no other model to turn to, most economists continue to forecast the future in terms of moderate, incremental changes.

In the panic phase now unfolding, a growing number will begin to realize how wrong they’ve been. They’ll see that this crisis represents a clean break with the past, rendering their forecasting models worthless.

Some already see the light. It’s only a matter of time before they admit it in public.

Rude Awakening #2
The Economy Is Sinking Three to
Five Times Faster Than Expected.

Every single step taken by the Bush and Obama administrations has been based on the flawed assumptions embedded in their economic models. They assume that:
the world economy is not collapsing …

the banking system is not broken …

corporations, investors, consumers and entire nations will not take drastic action to protect their own interests, and, therefore …

we will not see widespread factory shutdowns, wholesale layoffs, mass dumping of assets, or major new trade barriers.

They assume that none of this is happening or will continue to happen. They assume that the six-decade growth cycle that began after World War II remains largely intact. They think, talk and act as though we were still living in an era that’s now over.

Each of these assumptions is, on the face of it, patently false. And yet, it’s based on these assumptions that our government continues to spend, lend or guarantee TRILLIONS of dollars.

Starting right now, however, we can begin to see the first signs of a rude awakening in that realm as well:
The New York Times reports “a sense of disconnect between the projections of the White House and the grim realities of everyday American life.”

Economist Allen Sinai calls the White House’s economic forecasts “a hope, a wing and prayer.”

Even Obama advisor Paul Volcker admits this crisis is swifter and broader than that of the Great Depression — something that, at this juncture, most Obama advisers refuse to admit.

Despite all these doubts, however, the average GDP forecast of most private economists differs only marginally from the rosy forecasts of the White House. Specifically …

In 2009, the White House predicts the economy will contract by a meager 1.2 percent, while private economists predict a decline of only 2.0 percent.

The grim reality:
The 6.2 percent plunge in the fourth quarter — plus a similar decline estimated for the current quarter — shows the economy is now sinking three to five times faster than they’re forecasting for the year.

There is absolutely no sign that the decline is ending and every sign that it’s accelerating.

Thus, to contain this year’s decline to the meager 1 or 2 percent that the government and private economists are projecting would require a comeback in the second half that’s nothing short of a miracle.

In 2010, the White House says the economy will grow 3.2 percent, while private economists say it will grow 2.1 percent.

The grim reality:

In America’s First Great Depression, the financial collapses beginning in 1929 led to GDP declines of 8.6 percent in 1930, 6.4 percent in 1931 and 13 percent in 1932.

But in this cycle — America’s Second Great Depression — the financial collapses that we saw in 2008, such as Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Fannie and Freddie, Washington Mutual, Wachovia, AIG, Citigroup and many others, were markedly worse than those of 1929.

That doesn’t necessarily mean that the GDP declines in 2009, 2010 and 2011 will be worse than those of the early 1930s. But it does mean that the 2 or 3 percent growth now forecast by private and government economists for 2010 is clearly a pipedream.

In the panic phase now unfolding, some prominent economists are now beginning to recognize their forecasts may be full of holes. It’s only a matter of time before they admit it in public.

Rude Awakening #3

The Dangerous, Unintended Consequences of the
Government’s Rescue Efforts Can Only Deepen,
Broaden and Prolong the Economic Decline.


These include:

The dangerous and inevitable surge in government borrowing.

Even with its fairy-tale forecast of a meager 1.2 percent decline in the economy this year, the White House projects a 2009 federal budget deficit of $1.75 trillion. If you assume the average private forecast of a 2 percent GDP decline, the deficit automatically grows beyond $2 trillion. And the only neutral assumption for GDP — no deceleration or acceleration in the 6.2 percent rate of decline now underway — leads you to a deficit that makes the above projections look puny by comparison.

The dangerous and inevitable surge in borrowing costs. Even in the government’s unrealistic rosy scenario, the explosion in government borrowing must drive real rates of interest sharply higher. There is simply no other conceivable scenario.

The dangerous and inevitable damage caused by higher interest rates. When interest rates go up, they go up for nearly everyone, sweeping across the economic landscape into every home, business, or government. Result: Even a rate rise of just a few percentage points can quickly neutralize and overwhelm any benefits derived from the government’s stimulus spending, banking bailouts or expansive budget plans.

A dangerous and inescapable two-tiered market for credit.

What happens when the government pumps money into defaulting households or failing banks even while nearly all other interest rates are rising? The answer is simple: The lucky few who get government aid are able to borrow at lower interest rates. But the vast majority, not eligible for government money, must pay much higher rates than they’d pay otherwise.


A dangerous diversion of precious capital from strong hands to weak hands. With government money pouring into the weakest households and companies, precious resources are diverted from strong hands — those who could best help bring about a recovery — to weak hands, including those who were most responsible for the bust. Already, companies like Berkshire Hathaway, despite triple-A ratings, are paying record high spreads to borrow … while banks and others which get government guarantees can borrow far more cheaply, despite abysmal credit ratings and balance sheets.

In the panic phase of the crisis now unfolding, a minority of Washington and Wall Street experts is beginning to fear these dangerous consequences. It’s only a matter of time before they openly confess their real concerns.

Sadly, though, confession is one thing; action is another. And sadly, each of these unintended consequences deepens the depression, spreads the pain, prolongs the crisis, and weakens the eventual recovery.




:sad:


I'm not blaming this ALL this on Barack Obama!

IMO he was dealt a bad poker hand that he is playing very poorly. (going all in) sadly I believe Obama will cause the panic phase of this collapse.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: lonestar2004]
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Nobody causes others to panic. If people didn't panic then we would have much less problem to deal with.

So enjoy your panic. I'm taking the road less traveled.:thumbup:

"I don't worry about a thing cause I know nothing's going to be alright" -Mose Allison


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
"I don't worry about a thing cause I know nothing's going to be alright" -Mose Allison



:lol:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: lonestar2004]
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I don't know who this guy is or what his PhD is in but I found one egregious error:
Quote:
From the guy above
The grim reality:
The 6.2 percent plunge in the fourth quarter — plus a similar decline estimated for the current quarter — shows the economy is now sinking three to five times faster than they’re forecasting for the year.



It didn't plunge 6.2% in the 4th qtr.  It plunged at an annual rate of 6.2% which is an actual drop of 1.55% for the qtr.

Quote:
From the link below
Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property
located in the United States -- decreased at an annual rate of 6.2 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008,
(that is, from the third quarter to the fourth quarter), according to preliminary estimates released by the
Bureau of Economic Analysis.  In the third quarter, real GDP decreased 0.5 percent.



Further,
Quote:
Real GDP increased 1.1 percent in 2008 (that is, from the 2007 annual level to the 2008 annual
level), compared with an increase of 2.0 percent in 2007.



http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm

Although there is nothing good in these numbers I find it egregious that the guy above continues to spread the misinformation that the GDP declined by 6.2% in the 4th qtr.  It did not.


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Edited by AnonymousRabbit (05/18/22 11:59 PM)

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Quote:
What you are seeing is the market return to its ACTUAL value. The market has been absurdly overvalued due to the housing bubble.



Uh huh. Its ACTUAL value is what it was in 1997. The housing bubble started even before the DotCom bubble, don'tcha know.

Just to remind everyone, the Dow on election day closed at 9625. That's 42% higher than today's close. Probably just a coincidence. It has nothing - NOTHING - to do with Obama's relentless drumbeat of "catastrophe" and "disaster" and "crisis". It has nothing - NOTHING - to do with the Generational Theft Act of 2009 (sometimes known as The Porkulus or The Spendulus), nothing to do with the 400-odd billion omnibus pork bill the House passwed last week, nothing to do with Obama's stupefyingly insane budget the Democrat-led Congress will pass without batting an eye.

Nope. It's all due to those eeeeeeeevil CEOs, yup yup yup.







Phred


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Edited by AnonymousRabbit (05/18/22 11:59 PM)

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Nope. We are pointing out the paradigm shift in lending practices due to government's coercion of lending agents got some real teeth in 1998. The "housing bubble" took another few years to really get started.



Phred


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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Just to remind everyone, the Dow on election day closed at 9625. That's 42% higher than today's close.







Phred





shhh...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Edited by AnonymousRabbit (05/18/22 11:59 PM)

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: AnonymousRabbit]
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Just to remind everyone, Obama's first full month as Prez saw the DJIA register it’s biggest monthly drop - not just in numbers but in percentage - since 1933.

But I'm sure it's just a coincidence.





Phred


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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Phred]
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Pray tell why do you think it took that drop in the first month? I mean considering that he had the vote?

Did the people vote for him knowing they had no faith in him or am I missing something here.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Icelander]
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> Did the people vote for him knowing they had no faith in him or am I missing something here.

Gotta look at who voted for him as a whole rather than assuming (sorry, I am assuming that you are assuming) that those that voted for Obama are equally representative across all economic classes.  (i.e. did as many business leaders vote for Obama as did welfare recipients?)


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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Icelander]
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good thing i live in canada :shrug:


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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Tedwilto]
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Tedwilto said:
good thing i live in canada :shrug:



You might want to check which global economy Canada is most closely tied to.

Hint, it's not Uganda.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Hey Phred.

The DJI Average in late 2007 was well over 14,000..

By the time Bush left office, it had plummeted to almost half that value.

BLAME IT ON BARACK, QUICK.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Let's be honest here. President Obama saved or created 6,763 DOW points today.





Phred


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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
> Did the people vote for him knowing they had no faith in him or am I missing something here.

Gotta look at who voted for him as a whole rather than assuming (sorry, I am assuming that you are assuming) that those that voted for Obama are equally representative across all economic classes.  (i.e. did as many business leaders vote for Obama as did welfare recipients?)



I'm sure you're correct. Actually I like it when the big boys take it in the shorts. More of that coming I hope.

I really ain't sure (is that OK to say in this forum?) what's going to happen when Obummer spends all this money. I knew when Bushbaby was spending it but now I don't know. But I will find out.

IMO the bailouts are a mistake and the money spent on infrastructure is a good idea. My guess is it will be a mixed bag.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Let's be honest here. President Obama saved or created 6,763 DOW points today.





Phred



I don't have the foggiest notion what means.

My point is that you're attributing entirely too much power to the Executive.  There are much more powerful factors at work other than what the President says.  Stock traders are not caribou or some other herd animal, to be panicked suddenly by a loud noise.  People know what they're doing, and are perfectly capable of discarding government rhetoric if they think the situation warrants such action.

The market is tanking due to a myriad of forces greater than any one person, George Bush or Barack Obama included.

To blame it on him for some statements that you see to be inflammatory and most people of reason see to be common sense is silly, and I think you can do better than that.  You know as well as I do that if Obama were to stand up and say the economy is strong and people have nothing to worry about that you and other Fundie Right-Wingers would immediately begin attacking him for being elitist and out of touch.  But when he says that it's in trouble and that action is needed, you attack him for being alarmist and a Chicken Little.


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Beginning Now: The Panic Phase of the Obama Collapse [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Stock traders are not caribou or some other herd animal, to be panicked suddenly by a loud noise.

What planet are you on?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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