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Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful)
    #978383 - 10/21/02 12:47 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ok gang, no magic stuff here. I wen hunting for some boletes this weekend and here's what I came home with. I think I have 4 different species, and so far have been able to ID none of them  :confused:. Took some pictures, so maybe you more experienced guys can help me, it's been a while since I ate edulis last time.

So here we go:

(A) Found all six of them in NJ on a 1sq meter area, covered in ferigs, and under hemlock/larch (sorry can't tell them apart, esp when the first green branches are 15-20m up). Really lucky find. There was a seventh, which I left there to spread spores.

Details: the pores are yellow-olive bruising slightly bluish over time, caps orange-brown and slippery (wet) that peels off, stems have just a little reticulation in the upper part, spore print very dark grey-brown, almost black. Flesh is white all around with some pinkish & yellowish tints in the cap, nothing staining. They were soaked in water and  the flesh is not very firm.



Additional pictures:
Image 2 - pores & stem
Image 3 (BIG) - stem reticulation and pores closeup
Image 4 - stem
Image 5 - Spore print, ignore the green stuff (that's where the pores touched the paper)

Trying to ID this thing.. it gets pretty close to B. Edulis, except the stem isn't bulbous and has very little reticulation, spores are a tad too dark, and the flesh is not as firm as usual. Tried looking through Suillus, but no luck in matching it to something. I'm using "Mushrooms Demystified". Any advice welcome  :blush:
   


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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #978397 - 10/21/02 12:54 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

(B) Found about a mile away from (A) under same type of trees, looks very much like (A) except it has a slightly browner cap, a browner stem with more reticulation (almost throughout). It didn't give me a reliable spore print, only some traces that I think wanted to be brown but I woudn't count on it. Also, this one doesn't taste (raw) much at all, while the other ones have a mild taste of some sort.



Image 2 - Pore surface view - the pores bruise slightly blueish in time like (A) despite the brown tint visible here


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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #978442 - 10/21/02 01:09 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

(C) This thing looks every bit like and satisfies any description I have found of the Bitter Bolete (Tylopilus Felleus). Except one thing: it is NOT god damn bitter!! I tasted the stem, cap and pores and I could eat it all day long. The hell with it! What can it be? Barrowsii is close too, but I understand that's a warm weather species (it's cold up here). I found it within a meter of (B).

The stem is very reticulated, the cap is not quite as orangeish as in the picture, the pores are tiny, many still closed and refused to give a print. Flesh is all white and firm, nothing stains. There's a weird pinkish-brown coloration on the pore surface (it's not bruised).



Image 2 - Cap view

Image 3 - Stem reticulation



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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #978451 - 10/21/02 01:14 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

(D) (EDIT) Identified as Boletus Badius (hopefully correctly). Is it worth cooking?
This is some tiny mushroom (see the other pics for size), and I found a bunch of them in a pine plantation. The pictures tell all the story, don't have much to add. (EDIT) Overnight spore print came out dark brown, darker than their caps, maybe slightly graysh.



Image 2 - size vs quarter

Image 3 - size vs quarter


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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #978464 - 10/21/02 01:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Im not very good at IDing boleta's but, those are some wonderful pictures!


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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #979863 - 10/21/02 02:57 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

the boletes.
last night a specimen drove me crazy, and left me yearning for a microscope and my library in a box two thousand miles away.
those hefty specimens with tiny pores look delish.
the first pics scream suillus.
the little brown guys are attractive.
i have no clue what any of them are.
i thought of tylopilus when i saw the pic of that specimen.
your only hope is for toxicman or falcon to stop by and say exactly what they are immediately.
at least in my case i can go to a mushroom festival sunday and get some ids on anything i find.
good luck.  did you try here: http://www.grzyby.pl/fglobal-directory-a.htm ?
i would probably try to eat that large, dense guy.
it is soooo reminiscent of kings.  lots of boletes are just damn good eatin.
barrowsii is great, mirabilis is awesome, aureus is tasty, zelleri is fine....
the list is long.
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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #980310 - 10/21/02 06:18 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, bought another book. Managed to identify (D) as the Bay Bolete (Boletus Badius). One down, three to go  :crazy: 


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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID wo [Re: nicuss]
    #981340 - 10/22/02 12:25 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

First of all, excellent photographs and descriptions. It's also good to see somebody at least try to ID their own mushrooms before posting.

I've tried keying out your specimens as you described them and they don't quite match to anything in my books. Unfortunately, that's not that unusual for boletes.

Here is a page with comments to the effect of what we're seeing. Often, especially in older specimens, you may find yourself seeing a little blueing in species that aren't supposed to show any.

I'm going to suggest that we should ignore any blue bruising that doesn't occur within a second or two. The truly blueing boletes I've found are conspicuously blue almost instantly (Leccinum excepted). If it takes a minute or three, we're probably seeing something atypical.


If we do that, your first mushrooms key out very nicely as Boletus edulis. The fact that they are soft emphasizes that they are not young specimens, so a slight slow blueing can possibly be ignored.

The second mushroom I'll guess Boletus separans. Again, typically not blueing, but it was old enough to be nibbled on by a deer or squirrel, so maybe old enough.

The third one is the most interesting (as far as trying to ID it). I'm going to guess Tylopilus appalachiensis on the basis of it not being bitter and having a reticulated stem along with the pale tube and cap colors. Mushroomexpert.com has about the best Tylopilus key I've seen.


Being from Colorado provides a distinct disadvantage in providing experience in identifying boletes. We have far fewer species here than either coast, especially the East. Other than in books and on the net I've actually never seen a Tylopilus, Gyroporus, Austroboletus, or Fuscoboletus species. Almost everything we have falls very easily into Boletus, Suillus, or Leccinum. A friend of mine from here said she went on a foray in New England a few years ago and found at least 25 species of bolete within 100 yards. I'm pretty sure I haven't seen 25 species total in this state.

So enjoy the variety (and challenge) of boletes you have. Hell, the stupid drought out here is so bad that I only saw one Boletus edulis this year.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: Boletaceae hunting in NJ/PA w/ pictures (ID would be useful) [Re: nicuss]
    #981531 - 10/22/02 01:33 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the help, man, I appreciate it. I guess I'll have to fork out the $ for "North American Boletes". Didn't find it on the shelf at B&N to check it out, but the description at Amazon looks promising.

Anyways, the second one (B) is probably the closest to Edulis & Co. , so I already cooked it today. Tried a lil bit, and it's, well, good :smile:, although soft. Dried most of the first ones, I'll take care of them later.

And yeah, there's a helluva lot of different Boletes here in the East. In a forest not far from where I got these I found another 4 or 5 different (from above) species of Boletus/Leccinum. A month ago on a trip to NC, 20 minute walk in the woods, another 4 species different still. My head keeps spinning... 


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