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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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The futility of philosophical debate.
    #972324 - 10/18/02 03:19 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Now do a 360 and get on outta here!


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #972345 - 10/18/02 03:27 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I did a 360 but I ended up right where I am. :confused:


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: ]
    #972362 - 10/18/02 03:35 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

exactly.









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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1610246 - 06/05/03 04:04 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)


It does seem futile at times. :tongue:


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Murex]
    #1610316 - 06/05/03 04:31 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I'm off to live in the past... bye


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1610474 - 06/05/03 05:24 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

some good stuff back there, but a whole lot of crap too.


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Murex]
    #1614573 - 06/06/03 02:34 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

It does seem futile at times.




It's doesn't seem futile if you look at it as an exercise, a game, a mental challenge. Maybe that's why it's so popular.

-Diploid


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Diploid]
    #1614582 - 06/06/03 02:38 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

It's Intellectual masterbation :grin:
it's fun for a while, but it produces no results...
and if u do it too much, it'll hurt  :tongue: 


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"no-mind un-thinks no-thought..."


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: lucid]
    #1614595 - 06/06/03 02:46 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

it produces no results




I wouldn't say that. Philosophical debate sometimes serves to enlighten the debater or change his mind about something when a persuasive argument from a previously unconsidered point-of-view is presented. I think that can be a useful and beneficial result.

-Diploid


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: lucid]
    #1614606 - 06/06/03 02:50 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

The MAIN reason that it is futile, is that (despite the fact that many claim to want to overcome the ego) ego will not let one change one's position, even when new facts are presented or faulty reasoning is exposed.

Rather than the embarrassment of admitting that one has long held an erroneous position, the ego will hold on to worn-out ideas like a tenacious pitbull.

This pertains not only to philosophy, but to all ideas.


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The proof is in the pudding.


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Swami]
    #1614682 - 06/06/03 03:21 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Rather than the embarrassment of admitting that one has long held an erroneous position, the ego will hold on to worn-out ideas like a tenacious pitbull.




Don't be so negative.  While I agree that many people behave this way, I also think that many don't.  I, for one.

Oh, and I won't change my mind about this so don't bother trying! :wink:

-Diploid
 


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Diploid]
    #1614741 - 06/06/03 03:39 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

>Philosophical debate sometimes serves to enlighten the debater or change his
>mind about something when a persuasive argument from a previously
>unconsidered point-of-view is presented. I think that can be a useful and
>beneficial result.
I agree that debate can serve to "change ones mind", I wouldn't go as far
as to say that it can serve to enlighten (I guess it depends on how u would
define "enlighten")

debate can serve to change change beliefs, ideas, and ping pong from
one stance to another... however, it cannot allow one to transcend the
mind altogether (admittedly this is all mental dribble since I obviously
havn't transcended the mind - however, I've had glimpses of what it
feels like be slightly unburdened by thinking)


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"no-mind un-thinks no-thought..."


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Diploid]
    #1614779 - 06/06/03 03:52 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)


To me it seems to produce little or no results. I just have nothing else better to do I suppose. Swami will probably never change his ways and believe in something discussed here, I can almost say the same for myself.


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What if everything around you
Isn't quite as it seems?
What if all the world you think you know,
Is an elaborate dream?
And if you look at your reflection,
Is it all you want it to be?



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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Swami]
    #1614805 - 06/06/03 03:59 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

The MAIN reason that it is futile, is that (despite the fact that many claim to want to overcome the ego) ego will not let one change one's position, even when new facts are presented or faulty reasoning is exposed.

Rather than the embarrassment of admitting that one has long held an erroneous position, the ego will hold on to worn-out ideas like a tenacious pitbull.

This pertains not only to philosophy, but to all ideas.



My ego demands that I change my position when new facts are presented or faulty reasoning is exposed. I'll be damned if I'm going to be some philosophical automaton regurgitating lies and half truths and positions built on incomplete or faulty premises.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: The futility of philosophical debate. [Re: Evolving]
    #1614920 - 06/06/03 04:49 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with several of the above comments. If someone considers themselves open minded, then debate is something they do IN ORDER TO CHANGE THEIR MIND, or not. It can serve me by either, reinforcing my ideas if no one can invalidate or offer different perpective. Or it can cause me to reevaluate my position. It keeps me sharp, challenges my mind, and it makes me a better me.


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I keep it real because I think it is important that a highly esteemed individual such as myself keep it real lest they experience the dreaded spontaneous non-existance of no longer keeping it real. - Hagbard Celine


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