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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Rose]
    #8668827 - 07/22/08 08:53 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

I still don't see any difference from that and a pile of whiny BS. 

Master debation is fun as hell, and is killed by rule-bible thumping authorities.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: deranger]
    #8668830 - 07/22/08 08:53 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Yes, it would be terrific if interesting threads were not interrupted by blatant rule-breaking in the first place. 

Now, how about those logical fallacies:wink:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Rose]
    #8668838 - 07/22/08 08:54 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
I'm afraid, in hindsight, you won't like how it makes you look.
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Lick your wounds... and come back to fight another day.




Just curious, what tactic/fallacy/method is this....?
I am not on any sides here (except my own), but isn't this bordering on a personalism....?

The words don't seem philosophical nor like debating, but more like posturing and/or otherwise talking down to someone.....    :shrug:

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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: daytripper23]
    #8668844 - 07/22/08 08:55 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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daytripper23 said:
Didn't you say rule breakers and makers are the same coin?




it was more of a joke, I love breaking the rules.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Veritas]
    #8668847 - 07/22/08 08:56 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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Veritas said:
Yes, it would be terrific if interesting threads were not interrupted by blatant rule-breaking in the first place.




that's not specifically what I'm talking about, if you read back a bit.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8668854 - 07/22/08 08:57 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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PhanTomCat said:The words don't seem philosophical nor like debating, but more like posturing and/or otherwise talking down to someone.....    :shrug:




you must be talking about a... authority complex?


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: deranger]
    #8668859 - 07/22/08 08:58 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

I know that's not what you're saying, I was saying something different.:lol:  You're saying that it is fun to break the rules, that you like breaking the rules, and that it spoils the fun to have authorities telling you to quit breaking the rules.  Right?

OTD is exactly what you're looking for!  :smile:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Veritas]
    #8668872 - 07/22/08 09:00 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

no, that was more of a joke too.  I like heat.  and all this shit I'm bashing gives me the shivers.  if I liked breaking the rules that much I would have been banned by now.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Veritas]
    #8668879 - 07/22/08 09:01 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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Veritas said:OTD is exactly what you're looking for!  :smile:




you've GOT to be kidding me :lol:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8668886 - 07/22/08 09:02 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Quote:

PhanTomCat said:
Quote:

Cervantes said:
I'm afraid, in hindsight, you won't like how it makes you look.
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Lick your wounds... and come back to fight another day.




Just curious, what tactic/fallacy/method is this....?
I am not on any sides here (except my own), but isn't this bordering on a personalism....?

The words don't seem philosophical nor like debating, but more like posturing and/or otherwise talking down to someone.....    :shrug:

:popcorn:


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Yup... you would be correct... if I weren't addressing his questions.
I used the qualifier 'I'm afraid' to show that it was my fear, rather than daytripper himself, which caused my concern.

In several posts, daytripper has admitted he is wounded (although he has not to my knowledge used the word 'wounded' to describe his wounds), so my comments about 'Licking his wounds' were actually in direct reference to his posts.

It is my belief, if someone admits something personal about himself in a thread, you should be able to use that personal info to rebut their point.

But thanks for playing Cat. I was hoping someone would dare to call me on MY bullshit. :wink:

Dig far enough and you'll see that even I am not perfect.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: deranger]
    #8668889 - 07/22/08 09:03 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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SyntheticMInd said:
Quote:

PhanTomCat said:The words don't seem philosophical nor like debating, but more like posturing and/or otherwise talking down to someone.....    :shrug:




you must be talking about a... authority complex?




In my mind, I was thinking "bullying" (which I didn't find), but there were a lot of different "authority" fallacies....
I couldn't pick one after just skimming them all....    :tongue:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: deranger]
    #8668893 - 07/22/08 09:04 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Well, the idea of this forum is to engage in heated debate, to utilize all the intellectual weaponry you have, to dissect and demolish your opponent's arguments, and to show why their ideas are incorrect.

NONE of these goals are furthered through negative descriptions of other posters, attempts to psychoanalyze other posters, rude remarks, etc...


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Rose]
    #8668896 - 07/22/08 09:04 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Dig far enough and you'll see that even I am not perfect.

that's what this forum is for! :smile:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Veritas]
    #8668904 - 07/22/08 09:06 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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Veritas said:negative descriptions of other posters, attempts to psychoanalyze other posters, rude remarks, etc...




that would be cooler, if you were a mod.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: deranger]
    #8668909 - 07/22/08 09:08 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Ah, I see, you are qualified to criticize the rules, but only mods can speak in support of the rules?  :lol:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Rose]
    #8668914 - 07/22/08 09:10 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Quote:

Cervantes said:
Dig far enough and you'll see that even I am not perfect.




No one is perfect, and if there was a perfect being, it would be scary....    :wink:
I do, however, like to play.....!    :grin:    :thumbup:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Rose]
    #8668916 - 07/22/08 09:10 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

Idealistically speaking, a philosophical debate should be one completely free from logical fallacy and personal attacks.  However, in a real competition of ideas such this it ain't always the most true that win--those that do are the ones that sound the best, have the most free-flowing rhetoric, and skillfully employ the best sophistry and subtle ad-hominem to win over supporters and discredit their opponent's position.

I've seen way too many correct arguments get submerged or completely sunk; either by the pre-established post charisma of their opponents or by the fact that they were less motivated to play the word manipulation game than others.  :shrug:


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: Veritas]
    #8668925 - 07/22/08 09:11 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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Veritas said:
Ah, I see, you are qualified to criticize the rules, but only mods can speak in support of the rules?  :lol:




guess that's the difference between us kids and you adults.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: deranger]
    #8668938 - 07/22/08 09:14 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

I don't think it has anything to do with age, though emotional maturity might be a factor.  It seems to me that allowing personal attacks in a philosophical debate forum would be appealing to the lowest common denominator.  By raising the bar, we are encouraging posters to truly examine the ideas being presented, rather than resorting to the easier method of flaming.

But, again, the RULES of this forum are not open for debate.  This thread is about the use of logical fallacies, and how we might improve the quality of our debates here.


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Re: Philosophical Debate [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #8668940 - 07/22/08 09:15 PM (9 years, 3 hours ago)

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PhanTomCat said:

In my mind, I was thinking "bullying" (which I didn't find), but there were a lot of different "authority" fallacies....
I couldn't pick one after just skimming them all....    :tongue:






Interesting point.

I agree.

But I think there is an exception to the rule. I think the OP of a thread should be given a bit more flexibility, in order to direct the flow of the discussion they began... like a moderator of a debate (not like a moderator of a forum). Good Moderation of a thread by the OP can cut a LOT of bullshit before it starts.

If YOU start a thread, you should be allowed more of an ability to dismiss one person's arguments (like I did to daytripper earlier in this thread) in order to keep YOUR discussion on track. ESPECIALLY when others are going off-topic or ignoring YOUR logic.


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