Cannashroom said:

I guess people would rather believe a magic pill will make it all better than acknowledge that exercise and healthy eating are the answer.

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Cannashroom said:
Other people though, seem so caught up in the western medicine bullshit, they don't realize that your body has the ability to heal anything with the right foods.  I guess people would rather believe a magic pill will make it all better than acknowledge that exercise and healthy eating are the answer.

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When metabolized by the body, aspartame is broken down into two common amino acids, aspartic acid and phenylalanine, and a third substance, methanol.

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Toxicity

Methanol is toxic by two mechanisms. Firstly, methanol (whether it enters the body by ingestion, inhalation, or absorption through the skin) can be fatal due to its CNS depressant properties in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. Secondly, in a process of toxication, it is metabolised to formic acid (which is present as the formate ion) via formaldehyde in a process initiated by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver. The reaction to formate proceeds completely, with no detectable formaldehyde remaining.[2]. Formate is toxic because it inhibits mitochondrial cytochrome c oxidase, causing the symptoms of hypoxia at cellular level, and also causing metabolic acidosis among a variety of other metabolic disturbances[3]. One of the common symptoms seen in methanol poisoning is permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve.[4] Fetal tissue will not tolerate methanol. If methanol has been ingested, a doctor should be contacted immediately. The usual fatal dose is 100–125 mL (4 fl oz). Toxic effects take hours to start, and effective antidotes can often prevent permanent damage. This is treated using ethanol or fomepizole.[5] Either of these drugs acts to slow down the action of alcohol dehydrogenase on methanol by means of competitive inhibition, so that it is excreted by the kidneys rather than being transformed into toxic metabolites.


The initial symptoms of methanol intoxication are those of central nervous system depression: headache, dizziness, nausea, lack of coordination, confusion, drowsiness, and with sufficiently large doses, unconsciousness and death. The initial symptoms of methanol exposure are usually less severe than the symptoms resulting from the ingestion of a similar quantity of ethanol.


Once the initial symptoms have passed, a second set of symptoms arises, 10 to as much as 30 hours after the initial exposure to methanol, including blurring or complete loss of vision and acidosis. These symptoms result from the accumulation of toxic levels of formate in the bloodstream, and may progress to death by respiratory failure. The ester derivatives of methanol do not share this toxicity.


Ethanol is sometimes denatured (adulterated), and thus made undrinkable, by the addition of methanol. The result is known as methylated spirit or "meths" (UK use). (The latter should not be confused with meth, a common U.S. abbreviation for methamphetamine.)

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MOTH said:

Stevia has been used by tribes in South America for hundreds of years, probably longer.  Why does anyone need a controlled human study on stevia when people have been using it for this long already?  Human trials have already been completed if you read about the history of Stevia - the trial of the body and Stevia has already been completed by many sub-cultures.  It is definitely a natural sweetener.  You can grow it and use it to sweeten stuff with just the raw plain leaf. 

Though I imagine that if coke and pepsi put a lot of effort into cooking or extracting the plain leaf to make their drinks ridiculously sugary, it would become a poison drink like all the others. 

With all this said, I have yet to use it, and if I do it will be the plain raw leaf from a plant that I have grown myself.

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badchad said:

Cannashroom said:

I guess people would rather believe a magic pill will make it all better than acknowledge that exercise and healthy eating are the answer.

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I'm not sure which is worse: people who want a magical pill to heal themselves, or people who look for magical herbs to do the same thing.

The reason stevia wasn't approved was because there is a lack of safety data.  It simply hasn't been assessed in controlled, human studies.

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leftysurprise said:

MOTH said:

Stevia has been used by tribes in South America for hundreds of years, probably longer.  Why does anyone need a controlled human study on stevia when people have been using it for this long already?  Human trials have already been completed if you read about the history of Stevia - the trial of the body and Stevia has already been completed by many sub-cultures.  It is definitely a natural sweetener.  You can grow it and use it to sweeten stuff with just the raw plain leaf. 

Though I imagine that if coke and pepsi put a lot of effort into cooking or extracting the plain leaf to make their drinks ridiculously sugary, it would become a poison drink like all the others. 

With all this said, I have yet to use it, and if I do it will be the plain raw leaf from a plant that I have grown myself.

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stevia yes.  Rebaudioside A, no.

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I seem to be rambling at maximum capacity today. 

MOTH said:

leftysurprise said:

MOTH said:

Stevia has been used by tribes in South America for hundreds of years, probably longer.  Why does anyone need a controlled human study on stevia when people have been using it for this long already?  Human trials have already been completed if you read about the history of Stevia - the trial of the body and Stevia has already been completed by many sub-cultures.  It is definitely a natural sweetener.  You can grow it and use it to sweeten stuff with just the raw plain leaf. 

Though I imagine that if coke and pepsi put a lot of effort into cooking or extracting the plain leaf to make their drinks ridiculously sugary, it would become a poison drink like all the others. 

With all this said, I have yet to use it, and if I do it will be the plain raw leaf from a plant that I have grown myself.

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stevia yes.  Rebaudioside A, no.

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I seem to be rambling at maximum capacity today. 

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