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NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico
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Do you guys thing that violence related to drug dealing in Mexico(and particularly near the American border) is the result of NAFTA eliminating jobs in Mexico?


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: lines]
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No.


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: lines]
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No, I would say it is due to unskilled people making rational decisions that they will make more dealing/running drugs than working in a shitty factory.

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: lines]
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No, absolutely not.

The cartels are powerful because of the giant profits made from the largest drug market in the world. Most people would rather grow poppies or weed then work in a factory.

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: zappaisgod]
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From what I understand though historically the violence of the drug trade was not has intense as it is these days.


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: lines]
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lines said:
From what I understand though historically the violence of the drug trade was not has intense as it is these days.


Its probably intense due to the 4 cartels battling each other.

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
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> Its probably intense due to the 4 cartels battling each other.

Which is probably a result from the Mexican government taking a less active roll in managing the drug trade.


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: Seuss]
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the violence in Oaxaca is over NAFTA, the violence on the border because of drug cartels is just that. I read on the shroomery newswire that one producer actually kidnapped real farmers to force them to grow dope for him.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said:
the violence in Oaxaca is over NAFTA


NAFTA has little if anything to do with it, it started with a
teachers union strike and has more to do with politics and
human rights than NAFTA


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California Has Legalized Child Prostitution

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Many of the protesters claimed their main grievance was NAFTA from what I've read in several publications in the area. You have to keep in mind the south of Mexico is actually quite heavily socialist and a place where the EZLN(Zapatistas) enjoys popular support. The teacher's strike was a catalyst for many of the social problems being unaddressed in the area.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

Edited by ScavengerType (12/05/08 02:19 PM)

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: ScavengerType]
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seems people just wanted to jump on the bandwagon and address
their grievances to the governor for instance the The
National Indigenous Farm-worker Front has nothing to do with
farm work, they're a split from a US based paramilitary
organization but presumable if you have a catchy name people
will lend sympathy for your cause. the FNIC is nothing more
than a violent mob, a catylist to start rioting and looting,
they destroy the homes of the people they claim to be
helping, they shoot innocent civilians and dont attempt to
tackle the real problem, the government


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Can I ask where you'd read about the FNIC? I haven't heard this.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: ScavengerType]
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some mexican paper... I'll see if I can find it


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: Prisoner#1]
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thanks in advance for the effort.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: ScavengerType]
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ScavengerType said:
Many of the protesters claimed their main grievance was NAFTA from what I've read in several publications in the area. You have to keep in mind the south of Mexico is actually quite heavily socialist and a place where the EZLN(Zapatistas) enjoys popular support. The teacher's strike was a catalyst for many of the social problems being unaddressed in the area.


I blame Bush.  You should too.  It'll make you feel better.


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well my point is is that most likely the reason the drug cartels are bigger and more active is because more people have been working for the drug cartels because of people losing their jobs due to NAFTA.


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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I blame Bush.  You should too.  It'll make you feel better.


Now its Obama's Fault! and that does make me feel better. :grin:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: lonestar2004]
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You still have a few months until you can play that card. As of now, it's still Bush's fault. :wink:

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: Redstorm]
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you're such a party pooper Red. :smirk:


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: NAFTA & Drug Dealing Violence in Mexico [Re: lonestar2004]
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lines are you referring to decreased production due to the recession effecting Mexico. Because Mexico gets more jobs (in it's pure statistical sense) because of NAFTA.


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"Have you ever seen what happens when a grenade goes off in a school? Do you really know what you’re doing when you order shock and awe? Are you prepared to kneel beside a dying soldier and tell him why he went to Iraq, or why he went to any war?"
"The things that are done in the name of the shareholder are, to me, as terrifying as the things that are done—dare I say it—in the name of God. Montesquieu said, "There have never been so many civil wars as in the Kingdom of God." And I begin to feel that’s true. The shareholder is the excuse for everything."
- Author and former M6/M5 agent John le Carré on Democracy Now.
Conquer's Club

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