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    #673134 - 06/11/02 01:11 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: MeetMeInEleusis]
    #673139 - 06/11/02 01:15 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I agree...Considering the CIA has a huge hand in the drug trade I find it very hypocritical to show those ads.


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: MeetMeInEleusis]
    #673149 - 06/11/02 01:26 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

To put it into perspective..............

More than 5000 people die daily from nicotine(cigs,dip,etc).........


My 2 cents...


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: MeetMeInEleusis]
    #673420 - 06/11/02 05:02 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I too find this rather annoying. The government is slanting it this way because Afghanistan is a major opium producer. It seems though it's been taken to "ALL drugs are supporting terrorism" which is very unfortunate and totally untrue.


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #673422 - 06/11/02 05:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"Considering the CIA has a huge hand in the drug trade I find it very hypocritical to show those ads. "

You really are a wacko aren't you. Give me some cold hard documented proof to support that.



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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #674190 - 06/12/02 05:39 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Oh my god...you really are naive aren't you? Perhaps you've heard of something called the "Iran Contra arms deal?" If you don't think the CIA is dealing drugs then you are far more deluded than I expected...


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674250 - 06/12/02 06:56 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Rono, it's pointless to try to discuss anything with Great_Cthulhu. It appears from his posts that he is incapable of rational discussion and considers himself infallible. He exhibits a fervent belief in the goodness of the agents of the state. His undying faith in the state and those who control the levers of power is of the nature that makes all dictatorships possible. Stalin had a term for such people, "useful idiots."


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674314 - 06/12/02 07:53 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Rono writes:

Perhaps you've heard of something called the "Iran Contra arms deal?"

This was... what?... seventeen years ago?

If you don't think the CIA is dealing drugs then you are far more deluded than I expected...

There's a difference between "IS dealing drugs" and "ONCE did a type of drug deal". The CIA, in the early eighties, arranged partial payment for one of its ops to be made in drugs rather than cash. It is an unfortunate fact of the intelligence gathering business that informants and infiltrators with the most useful information tend not to be the most squeaky clean of individuals. Some of those people are into the drug trade. I don't believe this comes a surprise to anyone.

But there is no proof, or even indication, that current government employees of the CIA (as opposed to informants) actually deal drugs as a matter of CIA policy. To call someone deluded because they refuse to accept this allegation without proof is a bit of a stretch.

Please don't interpret this post as blanket support of all the CIA's actions. Of all the US government departments, I believe the CIA is the one which operates with the least oversight and accountability, and it has undeniably pulled some pretty stupid shit over the last half century.

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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Phred]
    #674320 - 06/12/02 07:59 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I only mentioned the Iran Contra affair because it is one of the most well known incidents. If you like I can provide many examples of CIA drug involvement that are "shady" at best...

I assumed it was common knowledge that the CIA was trafficking drugs...my mistake. The fact that it happened a few years ago does not detract from the fact that it DID happen.


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674331 - 06/12/02 08:11 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Rono writes:

If you like I can provide many examples of CIA drug involvement that are "shady" at best...

Yes please. I would very much like to see proof of any incident after say, 1988 or so, of CIA agents (NOT paid informers or turncoats... real US government payroll CIA agents) buying weed or cocaine or heroin, smuggling it across a border, then selling it.

The fact that it happened 17 years ago does not detract from the fact that it DID in fact happen.

The fact that Jefferson owned slaves two hundred years ago doesn't mean that Shrub and Klinton own slaves.

Of COURSE it happened. Lots of things once happened that no longer do. But your statement was not that the CIA "used to" deal drugs, but that it "does" deal drugs, and anyone who doesn't believe this is some kind of turnip head.

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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674449 - 06/12/02 09:12 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I know history. Do you have any evidence the CIA is doing this NOW? CURRENTLY? No? Just suspicion
and opinions based on past events? Ok.
There are currupt individuals in most organizations. That doesn't mean the whole thing is currupt and it doesn't mean it's common practice.




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    #674463 - 06/12/02 09:21 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I think you've got it the backwards.

I do not have "undying" faith in the state. ALL governments are capable of making mistakes. I just don't think it's a god damn evil empire like some of you think. I am no communist,socialist,democrat,republican,green,...etc. I am a member of no political party. I am a conservative independant if you want to put a label on me.
Not capable of rational discussion eh?
Your still mad about the drug legalization thread aren't you? lol
It might suprise you to know I agree with some things you speak of. It's mostly your hardcore idea of total individualism I do not totally agree with. Your a libertarian aren't you?



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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #674477 - 06/12/02 09:32 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Worse.

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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #674483 - 06/12/02 09:40 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Face it G.C....you have no case...you just enjoy arguing. You asked for evidence of the CIA involvement in drugs and I provided it. The fact that you want a more recent example only shows you are grasping at straws...if you are truly interested, and not just looking to argue with me because you think I'm leftist then I will provide you with more info, but it does take alot of my time dig this info up. And the U.S. isn't an evil empire...but it's leadership is. Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power (which the U.S. has) Corrupts Absolutely.


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674486 - 06/12/02 09:43 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Rono, don't bother. He'll just call your source a wacko anyway. Unless you find something mainstream.

I'm willing to accept the possibility that the Iran thing was an isolated incident. I have seen many claims of CIA involvement in drug trafficking but nothing I'd call reliable.


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674517 - 06/12/02 10:05 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

I'm willing to admit past mistakes have been made..I have admitted it. What government does not have at least a few corrupt individuals in it?
You my friend are really the one grasping at straws, but only the straws you want. Do not bother giving me your info if it is from some leftist website who procures every bit of unsubstaniated dirt they can and sweeps the good under the rug. If you have hard evidence and not unsubstantiated rumors that the CIA is importing or selling drugs currently then post it. I will read it.
And thank you for telling me what I already knew..your personal belief/opinion the U.S. government is an evil empire.



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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #674520 - 06/12/02 10:06 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

"Rono, don't bother. He'll just call your source a wacko anyway. Unless you find something mainstream."

I calls em as I sees em.



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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Great_Cthulhu]
    #674544 - 06/12/02 10:24 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

G.C...what kind of evidence would you like me to produce...perhaps a weekly newsletter from the CIA detailing their involvement in drugs? Sorry, I haven't got one...so yes, much of my information is hard to prove, but if you follow the money trail in the CIA you see that it does lead to Various Drug cartels, and the CIA's strong links to those Cartels. You choose to ignore the evidence...It seems all I've been doing with you is defending my case point after point, yet you STILL haven't given me anything to prove me wrong.


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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674575 - 06/12/02 10:44 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

Yes a weekly CIA newsletter concerning how best agents can deal drugs would help your case alot.

Ignore WHAT evidence? What you call evidence is not evidence. You are personally interpreting past and present happenings/events attempting to CONSTRUCT evidence. At the VERY most some of what you've posted could maybe be considered circumstantial evidence IF there was already substantiated evidence supporting a real case.

If you can follow the trail of money from the CIA to various drug cartels why don't you do just that...why hasn't someone done it already for that matter. Perhaps because there are no trails?

Defending your case? Hardly. You've got it backwards again. You haven't given me anything to prove YOUR case. You have no evidence. Just opinions and theories. When someone is so set in their views like you it's almost impossible to shake them out of it.



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Re: Drug Money/Terrorism propaganda [Re: Rono]
    #674592 - 06/12/02 10:54 AM (14 years, 5 months ago)

He's right. You made the claim. Back it up.

I'm sure that a news story from a substantial source would do. BBC, Washington Post, something other than USAsucks.com


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