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mushroomhunter10
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P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply.
#9153245 - 10/29/08 08:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Experienced consumers only please!!
Hey all. Im looking for people that have done at least 2 out of 3 species listed.
Ps. azurescens, Ps. baeocystis, Ps. cyanescens
If you were to take a gram dried of each species. Which was more potent? How about fresh?
I keep reading posts that some people insist that the cyanescens are the most potent in the world. Analysis shows it to not be true. However, what are your experiences with these species?
Thanks!
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9153305 - 10/29/08 09:21 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Azures.
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: MHbound]
#9153556 - 10/29/08 10:32 AM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nobody else has done 2 out of these three??
C'mon...
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9153956 - 10/29/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have not had the pleasure of encountering Azurescens or Baeocystis.
That said, I know that Cyanescens can vary wildly in potency. Substrate, weather conditions, and drying (if applicable) will all factor into tho final potency. I've seen aborted Cyan pins that fruited during July in Seattle, tiny hard black little fuckers that had the most potent visuals I'd ever seen. Fresh fall Cyans have a wonderful sparkle that gives me an almost-instant mindfuck.
Remember that the published values for potency are not very reliable. The very fact that each species was evaluated in a different lab by different people should tell you that the extraction technique can have a huge effect on the quantitative analysis. Remember that psilocin degrades quickly in solution or in contact with air. Remember that fruitbodies which are dried quickly retain much of the actives locked inside cells, protected from the air.
And always remember that even with the exact same person, strain, and dose... each trip is unique
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9153957 - 10/29/08 12:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Azures are more potent. They are the most potent known, with 1.78% psilocybin, .38% psilocin, & .35% baeocystin. Cyans, & baeos are about half this percentage. This information was taken directly from Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, by Paul Stamets.
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: greenmeanie]
#9153967 - 10/29/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
greenmeanie said: I have not had the pleasure of encountering Azurescens or Baeocystis.
That said, I know that Cyanescens can vary wildly in potency. Substrate, weather conditions, and drying (if applicable) will all factor into tho final potency. I've seen aborted Cyan pins that fruited during July in Seattle, tiny hard black little fuckers that had the most potent visuals I'd ever seen. Fresh fall Cyans have a wonderful sparkle that gives me an almost-instant mindfuck.
Remember that the published values for potency are not very reliable. The very fact that each species was evaluated in a different lab by different people should tell you that the extraction technique can have a huge effect on the quantitative analysis. Remember that psilocin degrades quickly in solution or in contact with air. Remember that fruitbodies which are dried quickly retain much of the actives locked inside cells, protected from the air.
And always remember that even with the exact same person, strain, and dose... each trip is unique
& you are right that published date is never completely accurate, but it's accurate enough to say which species would PROBABLY be more potent. Don't you think?
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: greenmeanie]
#9153969 - 10/29/08 12:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
greenmeanie said: I have not had the pleasure of encountering Azurescens or Baeocystis.
That said, I know that Cyanescens can vary wildly in potency. Substrate, weather conditions, and drying (if applicable) will all factor into tho final potency. I've seen aborted Cyan pins that fruited during July in Seattle, tiny hard black little fuckers that had the most potent visuals I'd ever seen. Fresh fall Cyans have a wonderful sparkle that gives me an almost-instant mindfuck.
Remember that the published values for potency are not very reliable. The very fact that each species was evaluated in a different lab by different people should tell you that the extraction technique can have a huge effect on the quantitative analysis. Remember that psilocin degrades quickly in solution or in contact with air. Remember that fruitbodies which are dried quickly retain much of the actives locked inside cells, protected from the air.
And always remember that even with the exact same person, strain, and dose... each trip is unique
& you are right that published data is never completely accurate, but it's accurate enough to say which species would PROBABLY be more potent. Don't you think?
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wutupfoo
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9154530 - 10/29/08 02:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I used to be in quite a constant traffic of azzys... I loved then completely, they seem to be the easiest on my stomach as well (probably because of a smaller dose to achieve greater highs) and baeos I had a few times. A year ago I had my first encounter with cy... If I were given the choice, I would go azzys all the way. This is just my preference however, I am sure there are people that would prefer the other two. Different people have different experiences. Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World is a wonderful book to give you some numbers and figures to help you make a more educated decision, I will supply those numbers for you... These are just for informational purposes only, certain species will be more potent in a certain season, in a certain location. So there is not "hard statistical data" that one can truly rely on. That being said, here you are, my friend.
Psilocybe azurescens: "Extremely potent, containing up to 1.78% psilocybin, .38% psilocin, and .35% baeocystin."
Psilocybe baeocystis: "Moderately active, losing significant potency in drying or from damage. P. baeocystis ranges .15-.85% psilocybin, up to .59% psilocin, and up to .10% baeocystin."
Psilocybe cyanescens: "Moderately to highly potent. Beug and Bigwood (1982b) reported maxima of 1.68% psilocybin and .28% psilocin. Gartz (1994) reported .30% psilocybin, .51% psilocin, and .02% baeocystin. Stijve and Kuyper (1985) found a maximum of .85% psilocybin, .36% psilocin, and .03% baeocystin."
Hope this helped.
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: wutupfoo]
#9154692 - 10/29/08 03:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess the Cyans and Azures can be equally potent according to the 1.68% that was posted in regards to the cyan's levels. I was questioning some things because there were posts from a guy who stated that cyans were more potent and that he knew Stamets personally...
I guess any of those top three contenders will blow you away. 
I'm willing to bet they can all be as potent as the other given the right conditions and part of their life-cycle. I think as far as consistency is concerned the Azures take the cake.
Interesting. Thanks everyone.
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9154718 - 10/29/08 03:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stage in life cycle, period in season, substrate, weather conditions, and maturity of product are some of the biggest contributors to how potent each species will be from specimen to specimen. So you are correct. Glad I could help.
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: P. azurescens, P. baeocystis, P. cyanescens consumers please reply. [Re: wutupfoo]
#9155285 - 10/29/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would I be correct in stating that Azures are probably more potent at more times than the other species? More consistent, so to speak.
Sure seems like it. Especially from testimonials of end-users.
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