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baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous?
    #5204672 - 01/20/06 10:27 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I'm wondering if either of these two mushrooms are poisonous. Is there even a strand called baeocenisis (not even sure if that spelling is correct)? I'm asking because someone is planning on selling me "baeocenisis" but I don't know how legit that is.

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: Kash]
    #5204693 - 01/20/06 10:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Baeos are psilocybes, not poisonous.

If they're dry, don't buy them.


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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: Kash]
    #5204696 - 01/20/06 10:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cap: 1.5 cm to 5.5 cm broad to olive. center convex to conic. translucent when moist, appears pleated towards bottom portion of cap. Often staining blue to blue-green when damaged.


Gills: Attached. Dark purple.


Stem: 50-70 x 2-3 mm long. White creme to yellow top. Covered with white filaments.


Spores: 10-13.2 x 6.2-7m.


Sporeprint: Purple gray.


Habitat: Psilocybe baeocystis was 1st discovered in Eugene, Oregon in 1945. Once considered rare, this species was a very common mushroom appearing in mulched garden beds under rhododendrons and rose bushes during the late 1970s and early 1980s, sometimes growing in amongst groupings of P. stuntzii in lawns and with Psilocybe cyanescens in alder mulched garden beds. Although this species grows abundantly some in lawns or grassy areas rich in humus or lignin and/or in alder wood chips and bark mulch, it is sometimes very hard to find.


Distribution: From Eugene, Oregon to Seattle, Washington, up to British Columbia, Canada. Once considered rare, it is now common.


Season: June to October in lawns. From late September through December and sometimes into January in mulched garden beds.


Dosage: 1 to 2 large mushroom specimens or from 2 to 4 small specimens.


Comment: A very potent species when fresh. Stains intensely blue when damaged. Loses much potency when drying.

Two young children, both six years old reportedly died after allegedly consuming Psilocybe baeocystis. However, photographs given to the author by Drs. involved in the subsequent treatment and later death of these children, one in Washington and a second reported death in California. The Actual photo images resemble Psilocybe cyanescens. And in both incidents, whole families also consumed these mushrooms and did not die.

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5204732 - 01/20/06 10:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)


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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5204749 - 01/20/06 10:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

thanks for the replies. so baeocystis is not deadly to say someone 15 and older? and is there such thing as baeocenisis (bay-oh-kin-e-sis)

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: Kash]
    #5205145 - 01/21/06 12:29 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

never heard of baeocenisis...

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5205445 - 01/21/06 02:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds like you need to do some reading on the effects of mushrooms themselves anyway. It isn't like it's a poison that you're simply more resistant to at older ages. I'm not suggesting younger kids trip, but... nevermind... kinda drunk.


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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5205766 - 01/21/06 07:37 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

^^ Haha I guess so... I thought that was directed at me for a second!  I was ganna track you down!! :smile:

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5206123 - 01/21/06 11:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

And they aren't deadly (read the end of that report closely- it basically says they weren't even baeos found...)... it's just that they are not much worth buying when dry- since they lose A LOT of potency as they dry.

If you have some fresh ones... now that's a different story :smile:

Edited by AlwaysFlowin (01/21/06 11:22 AM)

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: Kash]
    #5206308 - 01/21/06 12:32 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Jim I. Walker:

"p. baeocystis -- the "potent" psilocybe, grows in the pacific
northwest.. I'd guess that this would be really good to get but
I'm not sure how easy it would be to grow. I also read that
besides being si
slightly hallucinogenic, it *might* be poisonnous -- but the
author was unsure. Perhaps, though, the amount of poisonous
chemicals would have no effect because it is so potent in
psilocybin/psilocin that you'd need to take more than enough
to get a strong trip before you ingested enough poison.. that's
just a guess, though -- I really know very little about this
kind and I'd like to see what others know."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info8.shtml

Figured id make a note of that, even if its not a fact

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Re: baeocystis or baeocenisis (sp) poisonous? [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5209029 - 01/22/06 03:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I do recall stamets completely denouncing the myth in Psilocybes of the World. Don't have a copy handy though.


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